Kurdistan

[ara87]

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turkey enough to invade it, and syria enough to support turkey in its invasion and to issue diplomatic hints to the kurds and iraq that they will not tolerate an independent kurdistan. Iran is just as against the idea of kurdistan as the above two.

You make a deal though, signed by Turkish, Syrian, Iranian, Kurdish leaders, as well as the US, and various European countries, that if a free Kurdistan is established in N. Iraq that the Turkey, Syria, and Iran will recognize it as long as Kurdistan gives up all claims to those countries lands, which they will b/c they know it's to good of an opportunity to pass by

[jgk3]

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I see. Well I hope that satisfies ara87's wondering on the potentiality of a free Kurdistan.

[Armanen]

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I'm curious, how much does Turkey or Syria resist the idea of allowing northern Iraq to become a Kurd state?

turkey enough to invade it, and syria enough to support turkey in its invasion and to issue diplomatic hints to the kurds and iraq that they will not tolerate an independent kurdistan. Iran is just as against the idea of kurdistan as the above two.

[jgk3]

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I'm curious, how much does Turkey or Syria resist the idea of allowing northern Iraq to become a Kurd state?

[ara87]

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Well read my post again and see that I am not against the idea of a kurdish state in what is now northern iraq. And yes, we would have an ally against turkey.

Also, I would rather see Assyrians get a homeland in the middle east, but that has less of chance of ocurring, because of their low population and the infighting amongst them.

my other post was in reference to jgk3's post

In order to create this vast Kurdistan, they'd need a superpower that would trump Turkey, Syria, Iran and Iraq simultaneously.

i guess i should have put that in there

[Armanen]

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Well read my post again and see that I am not against the idea of a kurdish state in what is now northern iraq. And yes, we would have an ally against turkey.

Also, I would rather see Assyrians get a homeland in the middle east, but that has less of chance of ocurring, because of their low population and the infighting amongst them.

[ara87]

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i'm not talking about giving the kurds, the giant Kurdistan they envision. I'm am saying give them northern Iraq.

Like somewhere from Iraq's border with Turkey to somewhere between the red and yellow lines. Many Kurds would migrate their, and they could have kirkuk which is a source of economic income for the country. Turkey, Syria, and Iran would not be required to give up land, and over time the Kurds would stop claiming those areas as theirs. On the plus side there'd still be tension between Turkey and them, giving us an ally in the middle east based on the enemy of my enemy is my friend

[Armanen]

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Kurds are squatters in Occupied Armenia, but they have more claim to the area then the turks, as they are native to the Near East and an Iranic people.

I think kurds should continue to strengthen their autonomy in northern iraq and wait for conditions to be ripe for them to become independent. But their goal of "kurdistan" is unrealistic on many fronts, not just the political but also the logistical. What would kurds do with those vast areas, certainly they are in no position to develop those lands.

[jgk3]

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Kurds lay claim over a very vast tract of territory and it's not like in the case of Armenians where most of our claims are in Turkey and Azerbaijan. Funny thing is, they claim the same lands we do in Turkey.

In order to create this vast Kurdistan, they'd need a superpower that would trump Turkey, Syria, Iran and Iraq simultaneously. Who is in a position to upset every power in the Middle East and unite them against a common threat similar to the creation of Israel right now? This is why their threat is better left checked by the aforementioned nations, and it's not easy (if not suicidal) for a country like the US to get in the way at a time like this. They will likely lose all their military bases in Turkey, and Turkey would switch over to Russia's side completely.

If the Kurds want anything attainable, perhaps they can keep Northern Iraq. I don't know what their fate will be by continuing to aggravation of Turkey, even if they achieve its eventual disintegration. They are afterall, squatters there.

[ara87]

So do you think that the USA and the world should have allowed for a kurdistan to be formed out of Northern Iraq? Because Turkey, Syria, and Iran, are never going to give up land, and Northern Iraq would be more than sufficient. Also with a creation of a homeland, many Kurds in other countries would migrate "home" over time. I know there would be many Kurds who'd complain and still want to claim more land, however, that would pass. I just think there was never a better time to do this (and it should be done) since the Treaty of Sevres and that with Iraq coming to an end that the time frame allowing for the creation of a Kurdish state has passed, and i don't think it will ever come up again for quite some time.