Question From "Traditional man and country"

[jgk3]

Re: Question to Anonymouse - From "Traditional man and country"

Can pigs evolve wings if their "environment" promotes wing development in the same manner it did for the ancestors of birds? Or did the pig's ancestors miss the boat a long time ago and thus... became flightless terrestrial mammals?

Darwin's theory of evolution implies that "environment" can evolve these wings the way a dog breeder can overtime, encourage certain traits for his dogs such as having long ears, or tripling their sense of smell, except that instead of attributing these adaptations to a sentient breeder, it's associated with this force of "survival of the fittest" and "environment". Modern biology dictates against such a possibility. We know today that the environment can't be credited for being this formative hand in evolution. In many cases, it's just a series of mutation that are successfully transmitted to a large population through mating. When certain members of the species do not have access to gaining those mutations through breeding, the genetic gap increases between them and the population enjoying these inheritences of mutations. Overtime, this could lead them to no longer be the same species. If environment is to be credited at all in such cases, it must be limited in reference to geographical or perhaps social barriers seperating the two populations.

So what is the theory of evolution that is used today which accounts for the limitations of this "environment" role in leading the dynamic of evolution? Can someone define it for me because the Darwinian model is definitely not the one we're working with anymore in science, it has no predictive power to back Darwin's naturalist orientation.

[iFemale]

Re: Question to Anonymouse - From "Traditional man and country"






Which came first?

[ara87]

Re: Question to Anonymouse - From "Traditional man and country"

Until it CAN be proven false and denied, it's a fact.

so Mormonism is the one true religion? (Can't prove it false, and it isn't denied by millions)

And fyi, things that are well evidenced, like gravity, in science are still considered a theory.

Also kan, just looking at evolution in actual human, (post ancestors), we see plenty of evidence for it. Asides in differences skin pigmentation, and skeletal structures, you see Europeans evolving a tolerance to latcose due to herding cattle for centuries and including cow milk in their diets. In Africa, where countless people have been exposed to malaria for centuries, many africans now have a higher amount of genes for malaria resistance, (in short, if you took ten africans, 10 asians, and 10 europeans, all who have never been exposed to malaria and exposed them, the africans would have the best chance at fighting/avoiding the disease)

of course through cultural exchanges these beneficial genes will spread throughout the species instead of staying localized and dividing us further

[Yeznik]

Re: Question to Anonymouse - From "Traditional man and country"

What was the question again?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Question to Anonymouse - From "Traditional man and country"

Okay, let's reason through this one. Now, there are lifeforms that live in those caves and in the depths of the ocean where there's no sunlight right? Well, they would likely continue to live if the sun stopped its fusion today. Now if they continue to live, then they will continue to evolve.
But again, it was just an expression. Stop clinging to that because it's the only position you think you can defend and/or you want to avoid evolution.

I'll ponder that thought, but in the meanwhile, I have to attend the 94th Commemoration of The Armenian Genocide. Perhaps Turks will evolve to see things our way one day. Peace.

[Siggie]

Re: Question to Anonymouse - From "Traditional man and country"

Okay, let's reason through this one. Now, there are lifeforms that live in those caves and in the depths of the ocean where there's no sunlight right? Well, they would likely continue to live if the sun stopped its fusion today. Now if they continue to live, then they will continue to evolve.
But again, it was just an expression. Stop clinging to that because it's the only position you think you can defend and/or you want to avoid evolution.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Question to Anonymouse - From "Traditional man and country"

At one point I stopped taking him seriously. On the bright side, he gave us the opportunity to post links that discuss how life can evolve differently in different conditions.

Putting evolution in front of the sun is pretty much scientific suicide.

[VartanK]

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And I wouldn't hold my breath in anticipation of a more mature dialogue with him. This is what he does and then when you corner him he says "I'm bored" and moved on.

At one point I stopped taking him seriously. On the bright side, he gave us the opportunity to post links that discuss how life can evolve differently in different conditions.

[Siggie]

Re: Question to Anonymouse - From "Traditional man and country"

I agree. But age makes us more mature, and a matture attitude is as important as critical thinking.

No, his real age does not matter but there can't be a meaningful discussion without a mature attitude.

Agreed. And I wouldn't hold my breath in anticipation of a more mature dialogue with him. This is what he does and then when you corner him he says "I'm bored" and moved on.

[VartanK]

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Age does not bestow critical thinking skills upon people unfortunately.

However, Dre's age is irrelevant. Let's discuss the topic at hand rather than making personal attacks.

I agree. But age makes us more mature, and a matture attitude is as important as critical thinking.

No, his real age does not matter but there can't be a meaningful discussion without a mature attitude.