Free Will

[Anonymouse]

Well thats what me and CKbejug agreed upon, the free will within the basic system.

[Arvestaked]

Originally posted by Anonymouse Well thats what me and CKbejug agreed upon, the free will within the basic system.

No you did not. You tried to credit it beyon that point. If you had, the arguement would have stopped. I could be opening up a can of worms here but you are all arguing the validity of a concept who's definition you have not agreed on.

[Anonymouse]

Um, I think me and bejug know what agreed upon, as opposed to your personal opinion.

[Arvestaked]

Originally posted by Anonymouse Um, I think me and bejug know what agreed upon, as opposed to your personal opinion.

Like I said, I you had, l.y.n. probably would not have continued to argue with you.

[loseyourname]

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Originally posted by Anonymouse So if you say there is no free will, I guess what you just said is in accordance with the prophecy.

And?

I suppose that would be kind of liberating, but that isn't what I said. I just said that we can't know. As our knowledge of human biology increases, and we gain some working knowledge of the exact nature of consciousness and decision-making, then maybe we can say. Until then, it's fun to speculate, but I will speak with no authority.

[Anonymouse]

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Originally posted by loseyourname And?

I suppose that would be kind of liberating, but that isn't what I said. I just said that we can't know. As our knowledge of human biology increases, and we gain some working knowledge of the exact nature of consciousness and decision-making, then maybe we can say. Until then, it's fun to speculate, but I will speak with no authority.

Biology cannot answer ethereal and spiritual domains. You admitted that you believe in a soul, yet you cannot prove that with the scientific method. Like I said, faith begins where reason ends.

Like I told you before, it is only a philosophical assumption that all knowledge comes from the material world and what you can observe. How that in itself got to be there science cannot answer.

[loseyourname]

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Originally posted by Anonymouse Biology cannot answer ethereal and spiritual domains. You admitted that you believe in a soul, yet you cannot prove that with the scientific method. Like I said, faith begins where reason ends.

Decision-making is not a spiritual matter. Decision making takes place in the brain, which is quite material and quite studyable. I never said I believed in a soul, either. I just said that I didn't disbelieve in it. I certainly feel some form of a human spirit, but whether or not that translates into any form of individual awareness without the presence of a physical body I don't know. I don't see how any of us could know.

[jahannam]

Originally posted by patlajan Ooops I'm sorry, I thought the title of this thread was "Free Willy" excuse me....

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[Anonymouse]

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Originally posted by loseyourname Decision-making is not a spiritual matter. Decision making takes place in the brain, which is quite material and quite studyable. I never said I believed in a soul, either. I just said that I didn't disbelieve in it. I certainly feel some form of a human spirit, but whether or not that translates into any form of individual awareness without the presence of a physical body I don't know. I don't see how any of us could know.

Mind, money, and materialism. The only thing that lasts is the mind. Well if you don't see how we could know, why are you here discussing, if not but for a desire, since you know my position that, yes we can know, and yes we are part of a spiritual collective consciousness, and that, yes, there is life beyond the material world.

[loseyourname]

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Originally posted by Anonymouse Mind, money, and materialism. The only thing that lasts is the mind. Well if you don't see how we could know, why are you here discussing, if not but for a desire, since you know my position that, yes we can know, and yes we are part of a spiritual collective consciousness, and that, yes, there is life beyond the material world.

I already outlined how we can know. Until then, all we can do is speculate. It's good mental exercise, and I enjoy it. That's why I'm here. Plus, I knew I'd get into it with you. I like getting into it with you.