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[Anonymouse]

Then rest assured. Essentially its a question of responsibility. Do you want elect people who will rule you and make decisions for you, or are you a self responsible individual and will make your own choices?

[loseyourname]

These people will rule whether or not you like it, unless you leave the country. I have no problem with you not voting, as long as you are influencing the decisions of the decision-makers in some other way, or doing something else that will actually get rid of them. Not voting isn't going to do that.

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by loseyourname These people will rule whether or not you like it, unless you leave the country. I have no problem with you not voting, as long as you are influencing the decisions of the decision-makers in some other way, or doing something else that will actually get rid of them. Not voting isn't going to do that.

But this is the problem. I mind my own business. I don't wish to impose myself nor my ideas on other people. When you vote, you are in essence imposing your views on others. That is the sole purpose of the redistributive, centrally planned, welfare State.

If I have property, I own it, then it follows that I can do whatever I want with my property, as long as I don't interfere with the property rights of my neighbor, regardless of what rules the State has enacted to the contrary. When I decide to step into my neighbors property and tell him what to do, and who to hire, and what laws he should obey, well then that is when you have politics.

By voting for an initiative that says "People cannot hire whom they please, but must hire a certain number of people X, and people B, and gender L" you are telling other people what to do, you may not agree or think so, but indirectly, your vote is tantamount to coercing others to behave a certain way. Nor am I saying you vote, I'm just using "your" as an example.

Later, when you get some other portion of the "people" ( no such thing exists" ) that are disgruntled with the decisions of some others, then you can point and say "it was the will of the people since they voted for it".

[loseyourname]

I agree with what you're saying, but as I already pointed out, these laws are going to be there whether or not you vote on them, and the politicians making the laws are going to be there whether or not you vote on them. Furthermore, these laws are going to affect you, as well as those you care about, and you may as well influence in some way what it is they dictate, otherwise you have become a passive inmate, taking what they give you with your head in the clouds.

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by loseyourname I agree with what you're saying, but as I already pointed out, these laws are going to be there whether or not you vote on them,

That is untrue. Affirmitive action didn't always for example. The more America has become centralized, particularly after 1900 and most importantly the New Deal, most of these laws surfaced.

Originally posted by loseyourname and the politicians making the laws are going to be there whether or not you vote on them. Furthermore, these laws are going to affect you, as well as those you care about, and you may as well influence in some way what it is they dictate, otherwise you have become a passive inmate, taking what they give you with your head in the clouds.

You cannot possibly change the system by using the system. There are only two ways to change the system. Either it collapses itself, or a revolution. Voting doesn't change the system. No matter who you voted for the government always gets elected. That was what Biafra(sp) of Dead Kennedys said. If voting really made a change, it would be illegal.

[loseyourname]

I'm not speaking of any specific laws, or any specific system. The fact is, there will always be a system of some form in place, and there will always be laws in place. And as long as you are a citizen of this nation, you have little choice but to obey them or be punished, possibly with imprisonment or even death.

Let me ask you this: Do you pay taxes?