notes and comments

[Gavur]

Re: elegy

Ianyan Magazin ????
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[AlphaPapa]

Re: elegy

good leadership is the most important thing in all power structures.
but how do we get good leaders?
that is the question.
who is best qualified to choose them?

Power corrupts, right? Money controls also.

Psychologically, what does it take to be a national 'leader'? What traits?

Spiritually, we have a dual nature...one from God, and one that is the flesh, secular, and 'evil'. Would a good man ever be able to maintain a position of authority?

[arabaliozian]

Re: elegy

Friday, October 16, 2009
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REVIEWING THE xxxxUATION
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The xxxs worshiped Jehovah,
the Greeks Jupiter,
the Russians Jugashvili,
and the Yanks the Almighty –
and I don't mean the Good Lord.
If you see progress here,
I must be blind.
The Turks are a nasty folk,
and so am I
because I refused to be bamboozled.
Sartre was an atheist.
He believed in freedom
but supported Stalin, Mao, and Castro,
not exactly friends of freedom.
Sartre's master was Heidegger
whose master was Hitler.
In the Ottoman Empire
we were brainwashed
to be loyal subjects of the Sultan.
In the Soviet Union
we were brainwashed to be good comrades
and to kill and die for the Union,
but mostly to die.
We are now being brainwashed
by the brainwashed
to believe we are in good hands.
Now then, go ahead and say
you see a light at the end of the tunnel,
because speaking for myself,
I don't even see a tunnel --
probably because I am blind.
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[arabaliozian]

Re: elegy

Why is the Devil no longer mentioned for the injustices in the world? Mankind is equally capable of good as it is evil. If society chooses to live on the dark side, God has given every individual the freedom to do so.

god's freedom may apply to the victimizer
but not to the victim.
no one chooses to be a victim.

[arabaliozian]

Re: elegy

Power corrupts, right? Money controls also.

Psychologically, what does it take to be a national 'leader'? What traits?

Spiritually, we have a dual nature...one from God, and one that is the flesh, secular, and 'evil'. Would a good man ever be able to maintain a position of authority?

because power corrupts, a democracy has 3 independent branches.
monarchy and fascism have only one = the executive.

[KanadaHye]

Re: elegy

god's freedom may apply to the victimizer
but not to the victim.
no one chooses to be a victim.

Victims are the product of injustice. Nobody questions justice until they become victims, by then it is too late.

First they came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the xxxs,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a xxx.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.

by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945

[AlphaPapa]

Re: elegy

First, Ara, I loved post #563.

because power corrupts, a democracy has 3 independent branches.
monarchy and fascism have only one = the executive.

My implication was that money (board members of the big 3 insurance, banking, and mortgage co's) control the US. I believe we live in an elitist society that is controlled by a few hundred men (less than 100 in the 1980's).

Keep up the word, Ara. I don't always agree, but I always enjoying reading and even more the thoughts provoked.

[arabaliozian]

Re: elegy

Saturday, October 17, 2009
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SONGS OF THE BLEEDING THROAT
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Because history is the propaganda of the victor, we have made of it the consolation of the loser. Our revolutionaries assert they were not terrorists, they were freedom fighters. Americans are familiar with that line and they don't buy it. That's why when it comes to Genocide recognition they side with the Turks. They have other reasons. Imperial powers have neither friends nor enemies, only interests, and American interests are not on our side. We are of no use to them – except in time of elections when they are more than willing to tell us what we want to hear and we are more than willing to believe them. Being dupes comes naturally to us. It might as well be a habit, an addiction, a gorilla on our collective back impossible to shake off. Americans know this. So do our own leaders, whose lies are as bare-faced as those of Yanks running for office.
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The average book on Turkish atrocities is another atrocity. In our efforts to paint them all black and ourselves all white, we succeed only in exposing our propaganda and damaging our credibility.
I am reading a new book on the Genocide in which our deportations during World War I are compared to the Japanese deportations in America during World War II. There are “loaded” comparisons as surely as there are loaded questions and as such they should be inadmissible, and those who make them ought to know better. It would be fairer to compare the treatment of Blacks and Indians in America with the treatment of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire.
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So far no book by an Armenian comes close to explaining why a writer of Siamanto's stature hated life in America so much that he preferred to return to Istanbul knowing full well that he could be butchered. Which he was. Or why an intellectual like Roupen Sevag, a medical doctor by profession and another victim of the Genocide, defended the Turks to his German fiancée when she was critical of them and wanted to convince him to move to Europe.
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Speaking of Oshagan, Zarian writes somewhere that when writers like him speak of Homeland they don't mean Armenia but Istanbul. Several decades before the massacres, Raffi warned the Ottoman Empire was no place for Armenians. And notwithstanding Zarian's own repeated warnings that Soviet Armenia was no place for Armenians, American-educated Totovents and Sorbonne-educated Zabel Yessayan returned to Armenia only to perish in Stalin's Gulags. If our ablest intellectuals behave like dupes, why should we be surprised that there are still Armenians who trust our wheeler-dealers who try to brainwash us into believing we are in good hands and we have nothing to worry about?
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[arabaliozian]

Re: elegy

First, Ara, I loved post #563.



My implication was that money (board members of the big 3 insurance, banking, and mortgage co's) control the US. I believe we live in an elitist society that is controlled by a few hundred men (less than 100 in the 1980's).

Keep up the word, Ara. I don't always agree, but I always enjoying reading and even more the thoughts provoked.

and what i am saying is that monarchy and fascism make things worse.
at least in a democracy crooks like Tricky xxxx and his henchmen are caught and sometimes jailed-- instead of being promoted.

[arabaliozian]

Re: elegy

Victims are the product of injustice. Nobody questions justice until they become victims, by then it is too late.

First they came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the xxxs,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a xxx.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.

by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945

true.
Dostoevsky's question:
what about innocent children that are raped and murdered?