Muammar Gaddafi and Libyan crisis

[KanadaHye]

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The battle is on....next few days could determine who wins. Already many dead.

I don't think the rebels stand a chance in hell.. They've been sent on a suicide mission.

[Federate]

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I don't think the rebels stand a chance in hell.. They've been sent on a suicide mission.

Depends how much military aid the NATO butchers will give to the UN-backed rebels. Some rebel leader was in the middle of battle in az-Zawhiya yesterday and was on the phone with Al Jazeera. He was complaining about how Ghazafi is using tanks and what not and how the UN and world is not doing anything to "save them". It's funny how they b!tch and whine that Ghazafi's using weapons when they have the same amount of armament and are actually going on the offensive with them, just like what Ghazafi's doing.

Then that idiot on the phone openly called for the US to invade, quoting him, "just like they did in Afghanistan and Iraq"... my jaw dropped.

[bell-the-cat]

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She's American... she even pronounces it as gadaffy like daffy duck Throw her on a plane and let her accompany the rebels.

The problem with all western media outlets is that they are fully infiltrated by dissidents. Each country has hundreds of thousands of Libyans, and before them there were Iraqi's, Albanians, Croats, and so on .... these are the people that the media consult as supposed experts on theregions they came from. And go back further ... a big reason why the Russian revolution succeeded was because Britain, France, and America was full of exiled Russians who hated the Tsar and made sure nothing was done to aid his regime. Much of the BBC's anti-Serbian propaganda during the various Balkan conflicts was because of the position of Micha Glenny, a Croat, within the BBC. It says a lot about the pathetic nature of western society that they are so easily manipulated.

[KanadaHye]

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Depends how much military aid the NATO butchers will give to the UN-backed rebels. Some rebel leader was in the middle of battle in az-Zawhiya yesterday and was on the phone with Al Jazeera. He was complaining about how Ghazafi is using tanks and what not and how the UN and world is not doing anything to "save them". It's funny how they b!tch and whine that Ghazafi's using weapons when they have the same amount of armament and are actually going on the offensive with them, just like what Ghazafi's doing.

Then that idiot on the phone openly called for the US to invade, quoting him, "just like they did in Afghanistan and Iraq"... my jaw dropped.

I guess they didn't watch sack of sh!t villi get hung out to dry when the US didn't come to his aid. Just when you thought they couldn't make a bigger mess than Afghanistan and Iraq.... It's almost as though this was a reason to position warships in the region and Libya is just a decoy or diversion.

[Eddo211]

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Obama said to back Turkey offer to invade Libya

Tuesday, March 1, 2011 INTELLIGENCE BRIEFING

Obama said to back Turkey offer to invade Libya
ANKARA — Turkey has offered to spearhead a NATO effort to overthrow the regime of Col. Moammar Gadhafi by invading Libya, but with strings attached.

Diplomatic sources said Turkish Prime Minister Recep Erdogan relayed a plan in which the Turkish Navy would send ships and troops to Libya. They said the plan called for the European Union to immediately accept Turkey as a member after the downfall of Gadhafi, Middle East Newsline reported.

"It was not clear if Turkey could actually do the job, but Erdogan did make this offer," a Western diplomat said.

The sources said the United States, particularly President Barack Obama, supported the Turkish proposal, believed to have also been endorsed by Saudi Arabia. Obama, regarded as a close ally of Erdogan, said Ankara deserves membership in the EU.
But Brussels appeared cold to the Turkish plan. The sources said French President Nicolas Sarkozy opposed the Erdogan proposal despite U.S. pressure.

"What Sarkozy said is unprintable, but basically that the United States is not a member of the EU and cannot dictate who should be a member," the diplomat said.

Ankara has used its Navy to help evacuate many of the 30,000-member Turkish community in Libya. Turkey has been a major investor in the North African country, particularly in the construction and infrastructure fields.

So far, neither the European Union nor the United States appears ready for a military operation against Gadhafi. On Feb. 28, however, the U.S. Defense Department said it would move troops and military assets near Libya as part of contingency plans against Gadhafi.

The sources said Sarkozy and other EU leaders regarded Erdogan's plan as a means to exploit the revolt in Libya. They said Sarkozy and others have become intractable opponents of Turkish membership in the EU, particularly given Ankara's pro-Islamic policies and support for Iran.

"The feeling is that Turkey is looking to become the Ottoman Empire, and most of Europe does not want to go through that history again," the diplomat said.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2011/me_turkey0214_03_01.asp

[retro]

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[B]Obama said to back Turkey offer to invade Libya[/B

Erdogan is merely trying the revive Turkey's EU membership talks. .If Turkey really where to start to suddenly play a increased role in regional security affairs. Then it would undermine it's standing and influence within the Islamic world.

[Federate]

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I don't know how reliable this is but according to this photo on Wiki, the current situation in Libya: brown = rebel-held, green = Ghazafi-held, yellow = currently disputed

[retro]

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SAS unit, diplomat 'held' by Libya rebels

A Special Air Service (SAS) unit and a junior diplomat were being held by rebels in eastern Libya following a bungled mission to put the envoy in touch with them, The Sunday Times said.

The broadsheet, citing sources, said the SAS unit, thought to be up to eight men, were captured along with the diplomat they were escorting through the rebel-held east.

"We can neither confirm nor deny the report," a Foreign Office spokeswoman told AFP.

The Ministry of Defence (MoD) said: "We neither confirm nor deny the story and we do not comment on the special forces."

The uninvited appearance of the SAS alongside the diplomat "angered Libyan opposition figures who ordered the soldiers to be locked up in a military base," the weekly said.

Opponents of Libyan leader Moamer Kadhafi "fear he could use any evidence of Western military interference to rally patriotic support for his regime," it said.

The newspaper said that according to Libyan sources, the SAS soldiers were taken by rebels to Libya's second city Benghazi, held by the opposition, and hauled up before a senior figure.

The Sunday Times said a British source, who confirmed the men had been detained, said the diplomat they were protecting had wanted to make contact with the rebels.

It cited a source close to the opposition leadership as saying rebel officials were worried that Libyan people might think from the escort party that "foreign troops have started to interfere by landing in Libya".

http://www.news.com.au/world/british-soldiers-detained-as-battles-continue-to-rage-across-libya/story-e6frfkzr-1226016674792

Looks like these rebels got lucky and managed to shoot down one of Gaddafi's jets. Quite a rag-tag looking bunch aren't they.

[retro]

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TRIPOLI - Heavy automatic weapons fire erupted in the Libyan capital Tripoli on Sunday, the first such outbreak in Muammar Gaddafi's main stronghold in a two-week-old insurrection against his 41-year-old rule.

It was unclear who was doing the shooting, which started at 5:45 a.m. (0345 GMT, just before daybreak, or what had caused it. Machine gun volleys, some of them heavy calibre, were reverberating around central Tripoli, along with ambulance sirens, pro-Gaddafi chants, whistling and a cacophony of car horns as vehicles sped through the vicinity.

A government spokesman denied any fighting was under way in Tripoli. "I assure you, I assure you, I assure you, I assure you, there is no fighting going on in Tripoli," said Mussa Ibrahim, a government spokesman.

"Everything is safe. Tripoli is 100 percent under control. What you are hearing is celebratory fireworks. People are in the streets, dancing in the square." He warned, however: "I would like to advise not to go there for your safety.

http://af.reuters.com/article/topNew...72500G20110306

How reassuring!

[retro]

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Looks like Libya is fragmenting and this could get really nasty.

The interim National Council composed of Libyan rebels against the 41-year rule of Muammar Gaddafi expects to be formally recognised soon by some countries, its head told al Jazeera channel.

"There are official contacts with European and Arab (countries). Upon the release (later) today of a statement, some countries will announce their recognition," ex-Justice Minister Mustafa Abdel Jalil, who heads the council, told the channel.

He also said a military force, led by defecting members of the Libyan army, would make its way to the strategic Mediterranean coast city of Sirte, held by Gaddafi loyalists, before heading on to the capital Tripoli.

The Council is based in the rebel-held eastern city of Benghazi. Earlier on Saturday, it named a three-member crisis committee to cover military and foreign affairs in a bid to streamline decision-making.

http://af.reuters.com/article/topNew...72501E20110306