Muammar Gaddafi and Libyan crisis

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I would give real money to hear what Sarkozy's swear words were in reaction to Obama dictating to Europe to take on Turkey.

Right now, the Europeans need a 80 million, unassimilable Turks on top of the several million that they already have like a hole in a head. Erdogan's Islamist credentials and orientalism, may play well on the Arab street. However it also isolates Turkey from the West politically.

[Armanen]

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Right now, the Europeans need a 80 million, unassimilable Turks on top of the several million that they already have like a hole in a head. Erdogan's Islamist credentials and orientalism, may play well on the Arab street. However it also isolates Turkey from the West politically.

It is the elites in the West who have supported turkey's government for the past 70 years. Is it any wonder that prominent turks are regular guests at the annual Bilderburger Group meeting?

[KanadaHye]

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Gaddafi warns of Al-Qaeda chaos across region

In a new statement Gaddafi calls on int'l community to help Libya fight Al Qaeda and states a no-fly zone would cause Libyans to 'take arms' against oil-pilfering West

Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi warned on Wednesday that the region would be engulfed in chaos, spreading to Israel's doorstep, if Al-Qaeda takes control of his country.

"If Al-Qaeda manages to seize Libya, then the entire region, up to Israel, will be at the prey of chaos," he said in an interview with Turkey's public TRT television channel.

"The international community is now beginning to understand that we have to prevent Osama Bin Laden from taking control of Libya and Africa," he added.

On the international debate over whether to impose a no-fly zone over Libya to prevent his forces from attacking rebels from the air, the Libyan leader paradoxically said he was in favour of the move.

He said that if the no-fly zone would allow "Libyans to see through the real intentions (of the international community) -- to seize our oil -- and then they would take up arms (to defend the country)."

Gaddafi, who took power in a 1969 coup, once again insisted he had no intention of stepping down, saying he was not the de facto leader of the country.

"Since 1977, the Libyan people have held the power," he said speaking in Arabic, translated into Turkish.

Gaddafi ,styled himself 'guide of the revolution' from 1977, saying power was held 'by the masses' via elected people's committees.

Despite widespread unrest in several regions of the country, Kadhafi insisted that "peace and security hold sway in a large part of Libya."

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He's exposing the West and its ties with Al Qaeda suggesting they are being used to destabilize Libya just so the West can intervene. Basically he's openly stating that the "War on Terror" is a sham.

[Federate]

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Good and bad news for Ghazafi.

Bad news: France recognised the rebel council today. Good news: rebels are retreating from the oil port of Ras Lanuf.

[Davo88]

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So does this mean that the country is being carved into two?

[Federate]

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So does this mean that the country is being carved into two?

Quite possibly, NATO will decide that for the Libyans. For now, Ghazafi's moving east.

[KanadaHye]

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Quite possibly, NATO will decide that for the Libyans. For now, Ghazafi's moving east.

I would think an actual civil war would need to take place for the country to be divided into two. This tit for tat media generated rebellion wouldn't work, unless of course, foreign soldiers stepped in to divide the land and let the citizens in the East and the ones in the West to vote on a referendum. Sudan was recently separated and there are still clashes between the "army" and the "rebels". Also remember, Manute Bol was from Sudan.... they grow some tall people so the NBA better watch out for democracy in Sudan.

[Mos]

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He's exposing the West and its ties with Al Qaeda suggesting they are being used to destabilize Libya just so the West can intervene. Basically he's openly stating that the "War on Terror" is a sham.

I wouldn't take Gaddafi seriously, he's a schizophrenic maniac.

[KanadaHye]

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I wouldn't take Gaddafi seriously, he's a schizophrenic maniac.

But the war on terror IS a sham.



Saif al-Islam says Gaddafi 'will never surrender' Libya

Col Gaddafi's son, Saif al-Islam, has said that he will "never ever surrender" to rebels he described as terrorists.

He also confirmed that three Dutch soldiers seized last month during a failed attempt to evacuate two civilians by navy helicopter would be freed.

Saif al-Islam also said that Libya is "united and so strong", and would reject any intervention by Nato.

Nato defence ministers met to discuss military options in the Libyan conflict, which has raged since mid-February when opponents to Col Gaddafi's 41-year rule seized many towns in eastern Libya.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12705722

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Those are outdated, Zawiya is back under government control http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Az_Zawiyah

Zawiya, only fell last night and Gaddafi's forces aren't doing quite as well as they are maintaining.

Gaddafi's army has a lot of helicopters, better guns and equipment than the rebels. His Airforce are a dead loss and are more of a psychological weapon than any thing else. However apparently his Navy is bombarding rebel coastal positions and his Navy and Helis are his most valuable logistical assets.

Whilst his army advances east, Gaddafi will bring in African mercs, as he has no reserves to police Tripoli. Gaddafi doesn't seem to have all that many solders and part of his army have seemingly defected to the rebel side.

It's hard to say if the rebels stand a good chance of holding the east of the country or not and I suppose a lot depends on just how many rebels their are.