Muammar Gaddafi and Libyan crisis

[Federate]

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Or... the J3ws killed the real Qaddafi and replaced him with this poser....

LOL, America kills me... whoever writes these speeches for the Presidents has got to be a comic. An American president saying all governments have a responsibility to refrain from violence, hahahahha.


Barack Obama tells Gaddafi: Libya violence must stop

"He added: "Like all governments, the Libyan government has a responsibility to refrain from violence, to allow humanitarian assistance to reach those in need, and to respect the rights of its people. It must be held accountable for its failure to meet those responsibilities, and face the cost of continued violations of human rights."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...iolence-speech

LOL. The point of a government is to have the monopoly of violence...

[KanadaHye]

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In 2003 former President Bush normalized relations with Libya. Gaddafi was considered a terrorist before that.

Gaddafi took the oil money from Libya and dished out 10 million dollars to each family that had a loved one killed on the Panam flight 103 that crashed over Lockerbie. That was about 2.7 billion. This bribe apparently normalized relations.... why would America care if some citizens received a whole bunch of money... what did the U.S. government get out of the deal aside from a couple international lawyers making a whole lot of money. It's all fishy.

[retro]

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I doubt Libya's oil reserves are depleted. I also doubt US/Israel doesn't care about Libya. Israel/US cares about the one guy that's trying to live off the land off in the woods in some remote forest because he's not being taxed.

Those feilds in Libya are old and whilst the oil there is accessible and isn't very deep. The only place in the Middle East with vast untapped reserves of oil and gas is in Kurdish controled Iraq.

Gaddafi has been using helicopter gunships, aircraft and mercs to attack demonstrators.

[KanadaHye]

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Those feilds in Libya are old and whilst the oil there is accessible and isn't very deep. The only place in the Middle East with vast untapped reserves of oil and gas is in Kurdish controled Iraq.

I don't think they can milk the oil that fast.... the graph below is from 2007

[retro]

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They are already raising the Kingdom of Libya Flag. Egypt is considering military intervention.

States can't just do what the hell they like and if Egypt where to enter Libya, it would be interpreted as a hostile act. As Libya is sovereign nation and military intervention would require UN sanction.

It's better to 'officially' stay on the fence and if Egypt wants to help the Libyans it can always airdrop arms etc.

[KanadaHye]

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Considering there are like 30-40 oil companies in Libya, I'd say the globalists were there long ago

'Bilderberg Hand': Deadly chaos in Libya, Bahrain as Wave of Rage spreads

Regional expert Adrian Salbuchi says that global dominance groups are behind the wave of revolts.

[Armanen]

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The Libyans are tribal and part of the problem with getting rid of Gaddafi is that crowd need a strong man to keep them in line. As they are such a wild bunch.

The Arabs are from Arabia, not North Africa and they invaded the region. The Libyans like other most North Africans are for the most part, Arabized/Africanized - Amazigh (Berbers).

Amazigh are intresting people and they have very ancient ties to Iberia/Europe.

The Phoenicians colonized much of modern Libya and Tunisia, they mixed with the local peoples so the modern Berbers have a mixture of what is sometimes called 'semite' blood, and indigenious peoples. Not to mention mixing with ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, and later various Germanic invaders and the Arabs. In current times mixture has occured with the ethnic European subjects of the colonial powers that controlled North Africa. A very mixed people indeed.

[Armanen]

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States can't just do what the hell they like and if Egypt where to enter Libya, it would be interpreted as a hostile act. As Libya is sovereign nation and military intervention would require UN sanction.

It's better to 'officially' stay on the fence and if Egypt wants to help the Libyans it can always airdrop arms etc.

States with backing, either their own military-economic-diplomatic base, or from a more power state, can do what they want more or less. International law, when it comes to things outside of business, and non political concerns such as tv/radio wavelengths, air travel codes, etc., is not easy to enforce and is often broken. Should the Egyptians feel that Libya collapsing or going into chaos will hurt them they will make an attempt. And they will be even more likely to enter Libya if they do feel a threat and have the backing of the US. Don't put so much hope into international law when it is international politco-military law we are talking about.

[KanadaHye]

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Here's a map showing the tribal/ethnic makeup of Libya

[Federate]

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So disappointing Gaddafi has sunk so low...

He is claiming so-called "Al-Qaeda" and hallucinogens are behind the unrest in the country. He is losing it, I think putting the blame on "Al-Qaeda" is his attempt at drawing support from the West but that obviously won't work since "Al-Qaeda" doesn't really exist. Pathetic, Mr. Gaddafi.