Muammar Gaddafi and Libyan crisis

[UrMistake]

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Hahahah,thats is happening every time when some one lets unfinished jobs in this world,everything in the end comes upside down,even from the most small one.

[retro]

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I have heard from other Muslims that Libyans are from the true Arabic tribes and they will fight to the end.

The Libyans are tribal and part of the problem with getting rid of Gaddafi is that crowd need a strong man to keep them in line. As they are such a wild bunch.

The Arabs are from Arabia, not North Africa and they invaded the region. The Libyans like other most North Africans are for the most part, Arabized/Africanized - Amazigh (Berbers).

Amazigh are intresting people and they have very ancient ties to Iberia/Europe.

[Federate]

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I'm honestly divided on Libya. Gadhafi is a hard figure to analyse. He seems to be pro-Palestinian and anti-imperialism but some of his actions make me think twice about supporting him.

There's really no leader in Africa (besides Mugabe) that has talked as much sh!t against the West and Israel than Gadhafi over the decades but ever since his decision to abandon WMDs in 2003, I fear he sold himself out for some extra Western cash. He is more tame, openly in bed with the Italians (who oppressed them for a long time) and can now apparently make covert deals with the British (never a good thing). Add that to the fact that the man's ready to drop plane bombs on his own citizens and I'm not sure how I can support him...

I used like his no-nonsense attitude when it comes to Israel. He openly declares the two-state solution dead and ridicules the Arab League for their incompetence with the Palestinian issue. However cruel this may be, in '95 he expelled anywhere from 2,000 to upwards of 30,000 Palestinians from Libya after those failed Camp David accords in order to teach the PLO a lesson. He basically shipped them to Palestine to make a point that Palesine is not self-governing and that Israel does not recognise Palestine, and if it did, it would openly accept those refugees back into the unrecognised country. As he predicted, they were rejected and had to be settled in other Arab countries. I like his views on the UN (see in multiple parts) and I admire his attempts at Pan-Africanism to finally rid the impoverished continent of colonialism that still lingers in other forms to this day. Really the only thing I disliked about his foreign policy is his apparent disdain for Shi'as. He assassinated a Shi'a imam from Lebanon in the 80s (he officially 'disappeared while on a visit there) and apparently is not on good terms with Iran (like most Arab countries).

But he has lost all credibility. His ego has gotten to his head and his fatal mistake was to fire on the protestors. The protests were never big enough to topple him and have only gotten out of control because of his actions to send the army on them. Libya does not even have an alternative leader unless it brings back the old monarchy... lol. His days are numbered. Hopefully whoever follows him won't be just another Western lackey.

[Eddo211]

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Gaddafi is as good as dead.

The four major tribal structures have joined the revolution, including his own tribe. Nobody is following his orders (including presidential guards) other than missionaries (hired goons) patrolling Tripoli, which is the only thing he controls now with more missionaries on the way but now there is a no fly zone in effect so he is screwed, he has lost all military support with no allies. Tripoli will fall and its only a matter of time. Most of the fighting is at night.

The revolutionaries are made up of young rebels and high-ranking military officers who have defected. No head figure has risen just yet.

10 to 1 Kanada, you still wanna shake on it?

[Eddo211]

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Libya does not even have an alternative leader unless it brings back the old monarchy... .

They are already raising the Kingdom of Libya Flag. Egypt is considering military intervention.

[KanadaHye]

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Gaddafi is as good as dead.

10 to 1 Kanada, you still wanna shake on it?

I think the media is making more out of it than it really is... I'm going to go hollywood smoke and mirrors on this one and Qaddafi is either planning to stay or making sure all his money is in a safe place before he makes like a bird.

I was really hoping Qaddafi was the defiant wacko they made him out to be but looks like he's just another puppet after all. Very disappointing

They are already raising the Kingdom of Libya Flag. Egypt is considering military intervention.

I was saying to myself when all these "revolutions" began that Libya should invade Egypt while they have the chance. What is the point of returning Libya to the royal family after 40 some odd years. Were they tired of ruling and needed a break? lol

[Federate]

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Years can really take its toll on someone...

Charming young colonel with revolutionary ideas



Egotistical old colonel facing revolution

[KanadaHye]

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Years can really take its toll on someone...

Or... the J3ws killed the real Qaddafi and replaced him with this poser....

LOL, America kills me... whoever writes these speeches for the Presidents has got to be a comic. An American president saying all governments have a responsibility to refrain from violence, hahahahha.


Barack Obama tells Gaddafi: Libya violence must stop

"He added: "Like all governments, the Libyan government has a responsibility to refrain from violence, to allow humanitarian assistance to reach those in need, and to respect the rights of its people. It must be held accountable for its failure to meet those responsibilities, and face the cost of continued violations of human rights."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...iolence-speech

[Eddo211]

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In 2003 former President Bush normalized relations with Libya. Gaddafi was considered a terrorist before that.

[Federate]

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In 2003 former President Bush normalized relations with Libya. Gaddafi was considered a terrorist before that.

Yeah that's what I meant. When my dad heard the news he said in a shocked way "so Gadhafi sold out too..."