Why vazgen sarkisyan have been killed

[Haykakan]

Re: Why vazgen sarkisyan have been killed

Think about when Vazgen died. It was the begining of those dam collor revolutions which where all started by the cia. After Vazgen died LTP reemerged as a opposition. These things are not mere coincidences. There is a difference between weak and unstable. Armenia was weak during soviet days but it was not unstable and this was fine for the russian authorities. With the azeris gaining wealth because of their oil i doubt the russians concidered Armenia as the strong state they needed to keep down. I understand the russian strategy of keeping its neighbors under its thumb but Armenia is by far the last neighbor it needs to worry about as far as losing control over it because the Armenian authorities know full well without Russia there would not be a Armenia today. You can look at the crap the USA is doing today in LIbya and yesterday in Iraq as perfect examples of how the USA is willing to interfere in the internal affairs of other states.

[gregory]

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what Iam saying that it is illogical to think Russia behind Vazgens death incidents since Russia is the only historical friend of Armenian nation which there is no doubt about it, of course Russian political interest meets with existence of Armenian nation it is very important to stress whichever forces are involved in this atrocities it should be revealed by current political powers no matter whatever cost it may pay the government ,all political bloody incidents should be solved and make public if we are talking democracy, transparency etc . By the way no one should forget the case of Mont Melkonian his death wasnt caused by Azeri's ambush obviously the bullets which was used not being matched with Azeri's armaments , who have triggered his death an other our national hero vanishes and we are talking cia,etc. It is just very sad to see our hero s final destinies .

[Haykakan]

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People like to use that word "democracy" as if it is some kind of holy grail that everyone should be trhiving for. In reality it is one of the worst forms of governments humanity has yet created. Do not make democracy into some kind of idealistic goal which has never and will never exist because it is the most corrupt and warlike(violent) form of government ever consieved by man yet. Just ask socretes what he thught of democracy and the price he paid for sharing those thoughts and then you will realize exactly what democracy is! As for our heros, i think it is painfully obvious that the hero title comes at a great cost and at times the ultimate cost. The reason why most people in the USA have the freedom to say anything is because the people in power there are sure that regular people are completely powerless when it comes to making any real changes. As soon as somebody gains the power to make a change the authorities dont want -that person is elliminated. Maybe Vazgen was going to be the great leader we Armenians had all hoped for and that is probably why he was killed. There are many powerfull states who would want armenia to be without strong and effective leadership and hardly any that want what is good for us Armenians. What pisses me off is that we armenian are so easily manipulated into thinking that deadly poisen is actually good for us.

[gregory]

Re: Why vazgen sarkisyan have been killed

People like to use that word "democracy" as if it is some kind of holy grail that everyone should be trhiving for. In reality it is one of the worst forms of governments humanity has yet created. Do not make democracy into some kind of idealistic goal which has never and will never exist because it is the most corrupt and warlike(violent) form of government ever consieved by man yet. Just ask socretes what he thught of democracy and the price he paid for sharing those thoughts and then you will realize exactly what democracy is! As for our heros, i think it is painfully obvious that the hero title comes at a great cost and at times the ultimate cost. The reason why most people in the USA have the freedom to say anything is because the people in power there are sure that regular people are completely powerless when it comes to making any real changes. As soon as somebody gains the power to make a change the authorities dont want -that person is elliminated. Maybe Vazgen was going to be the great leader we Armenians had all hoped for and that is probably why he was killed. There are many powerfull states who would want armenia to be without strong and effective leadership and hardly any that want what is good for us Armenians. What pisses me off is that we armenian are so easily manipulated into thinking that deadly poisen is actually good for us.

ok,ok COME DOWN BROTHER we are not having democracy lesson here , if you want I can express lots of thoughts which I have been writing about a new form of ruling system which took his birth from democracy which of course " will not be called democracy" but let us leave it by now one side , Iam starving if any reasonable Armenian citizen in Yerevan, in Valk,in whatever city why the hell they dont have the courage to give a start of Vazgen case IT IS A HUMILIATING FACT AND BELIEVE ME NO ONE IN DIASPORA WANT TO RETURN ARMENIA BECAUSE OF WE DONT SEE A HEAD OF STATE WHO DONT CARES ABOUT HIS LIFE AND PUT END OF CORRUPTION WHICH IS THE MOTHER OF ALL DE FORMALITIES OF OUR COUNTRY

[Haykakan]

Re: Why vazgen sarkisyan have been killed

Every country on earth is a victim of corruption. I would say people in countries like USA are even bigger victims because there corruption is legitimitized (special interest grps etc..). The truth is there is not much a average citizen can do.

[gregory]

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it was nice to exchange opinions with you hope we can see someone who will enlighten us on this matter

[Armanen]

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http://theriseofrussia.blogspot.com/2010/11/eleven-years-ago-today-gunmen-burst.html

[gregory]

Re: Why vazgen sarkisyan have been killed

http://theriseofrussia.blogspot.com/...men-burst.html

thanks for information yet it is difficult to understand why Vazgen should incline towards west since his life time works shows the opposite ,perhaps a moment of mistrust for his Russian teachers ? I doubt a lot

[Armanen]

Re: Why vazgen sarkisyan have been killed

thanks for information yet it is difficult to understand why Vazgen should incline towards west since his life time works shows the opposite ,perhaps a moment of mistrust for his Russian teachers ? I doubt a lot

At the bottom of the blog there is a comments section. You can ask the author of the post this question, I'm sure he will have an answer for you. The blog isn't mine, I just thought that post may be helpful to you on this topic.

[Haykakan]

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It was a intersting read but i doubt Armenia would have ever agreed to give up its border with iran. There is no proof of this anywhere and this is what that whole argumrnt is based on. Vazgen fought and would have died for his country and i doubt he would have 1. went along with such a horrible plan for Armenia 2. I very much doubt that Vazgen and Demirjian who had deep ties with Russia both personal and in every other aspect would double cross the big bear knowing full well its abilities and power over Armenia. I do Agree with the author that Armenias only hope has been and continues to be in the embrace of the russian bear and i doubt Vazgen or any other leader (except for LTP) would think otherwise. There are some american armenians who are dumb enough to think Armenia would be better off with the west but that is another story since this author himself states armenias future can only be secure under russias influence.