Nature of God

[patlajan]

Defacing your avatar is not obsessive but simply malicious. You don't see me mentioning you in every other post. And this thing has taken on a life of it's own. I think I'll cook something new up soon, just for the hell of it.

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by patlajan Defacing your avatar is not obsessive but simply malicious. You don't see me mentioning you in every other post. And this thing has taken on a life of it's own. I think I'll cook something new up soon, just for the hell of it.

I don't mention you in every other post, merely where you make a post. You don't like it? Are you irritated by it? I thought we don't allow things on the internet to annoy us. By the way, I love your crafty handiwork on my avatar. I'm copying them for future use.

[loseyourname]

Originally posted by sSsflamesSs I'd like to see those pretty decent arguments before I reveal my opinion.

I'll begin with a short critique of omnipotence and complete freedom.

What exactly is omnipotence to begin with? As we would typically define it, it means that a being possesses the ability to do anything, regardless of logical or natural contraints in existence that would keep a normal being from doing these things. However, there seem to be serious contraints on what God can do that have been ignored. Can God ride a bike, for one thing? He has no legs, nor any sense of balance, as it is postulated that he does not have a body at all, so how would it be possible?

Can God kill himself? Can he end his own existence? Hell, let's take it a step down. Can God limit his own powers? Can he make himself nonomnipotent? Could he limit his powers to the point where he had no more than the rest of us? If he did so, he would obviously no longer be omnipotent. That right there represents the central paradox of omnipotence, and it has never been resolved. Omnipotence itself seems to be logically impossible, which is why I find the postulation of an omnipotent God to be unsatisfactory. It is, however, central to the theology every major religion. Does this not bother anyone else here?

[loseyourname]

Originally posted by SagGal i could have sworn we had a verrry similar thread like this one

I made a thread a couple weeks back questioning the existence of God. This one takes the discussion a step further.

[spiral]

Ok, you speak of God as if it were a being. God is not a being.

At least that’s how I see it.

God is merely a belief, and I mentioned before that God did not create people, people created God, through belief.

So if we forget about “how did it all begin” we would be content with the explanation that people create people through reproduction. The only thing that’s forcing us to think further, and make up such explanations as God,- is-- that one or two people who started it all. Where did they come from? If this can be explained then we wouldn’t have much of a quandary.


By the way lose, good arguments. Made some points I hadn’t heard before.

[felizitation]

So, who's the first ? the egg or the chicken ?

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by loseyourname I'll begin with a short critique of omnipotence and complete freedom.

What exactly is omnipotence to begin with? As we would typically define it, it means that a being possesses the ability to do anything, regardless of logical or natural contraints in existence that would keep a normal being from doing these things. However, there seem to be serious contraints on what God can do that have been ignored. Can God ride a bike, for one thing? He has no legs, nor any sense of balance, as it is postulated that he does not have a body at all, so how would it be possible?

Can God kill himself? Can he end his own existence? Hell, let's take it a step down. Can God limit his own powers? Can he make himself nonomnipotent? Could he limit his powers to the point where he had no more than the rest of us? If he did so, he would obviously no longer be omnipotent. That right there represents the central paradox of omnipotence, and it has never been resolved. Omnipotence itself seems to be logically impossible, which is why I find the postulation of an omnipotent God to be unsatisfactory. It is, however, central to the theology every major religion. Does this not bother anyone else here?

This is the silliest argument I have yet seen against God. You might as well write a children's book on Atheism. What do we look like a bunch of dumbasses? And why must God be a "He"? Can God just not be God?

[spiral]

speaking of chicken... I LOVE THIS!

WHY DID THE CHICKEN CROSS THE ROAD?

GEORGE W. BUSH - We don't really care why the chicken crossed the road. We just want to know if the chicken is on our side of the road or not. The chicken is either with us or it is against us. There is no middle ground here.
COLIN POWELL - Now at the left of the screen, you clearly see the satellite image of the chicken crossing the road.

HANZ BLIX - We have reason to believe there is a chicken, but we have not yet been allowed access to the other side of the road.

MOHAMMED ALDOURI (Iraq ambassador) - The chicken did not cross the road. This is a complete fabrication. We don't even have a chicken.

SADDAM HUSSEIN - This was an unprovoked act of rebellion and we were quite justified in dropping 50 tons of nerve gas on it.

RALPH NADER - The chicken's habitat on the original side of the road had been polluted by unchecked industrialist greed. The chicken did not reach the unspoiled habitat on the other side of the road because I was crushed by the wheels of a gas-guzzling SUV.

JERRY FALWELL - Because the chicken was gay! Isn't it obvious? Can't you people see the plain truth in front of your face? The chicken was going to the "other side." That's what they call it-the other side. Yes, my friends, that chicken is gay. And, if you eat that chicken, you will become gay, too. I say we boycott all chickens until we sort out this abomination that the liberal media whitewashes with seemingly harmless phrases like "the other side."

DR. SEUSS - Did the chicken cross the road? Did he cross it with a toad? Yes, The chicken crossed the road, But why it crossed, I've not been told!

ERNEST HEMINGWAY - To die. In the rain. Alone.

MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.- I envision a world where all chickens will be free to cross roads without having their motives called into question.

GRANDPA - In my day, we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the road. Someone told us that the chicken crossed the road, and that was good enough for us.

JOHN LENNON - Imagine all the chickens crossing roads in peace.

ARISTOTLE - It is the nature of chickens to cross the road.

KARL MARX - It was an historical inevitability.

VOLTAIRE - I may not agree with what the chicken did, but I will defend to the death its right to do it.

RONALD REAGAN - What chicken?

CAPTAIN KIRK - To boldly go where no chicken has gone before.
FOX MULDER -You saw it cross the road with your own eyes! How many more chickens have to cross before you believe it?

SIGMUND FREUD -The fact that you are at all concerned that the chicken crossed the road reveals your underlying sexual insecurity.

BILL GATES - I have just released eChicken 2003, which will not only cross roads, but will lay eggs, file your important documents, and balance your checkbook-and Internet Explorer is an inextricable part of eChicken.

ALBERT EINSTEIN - Did the chicken really cross the road or did the road move beneath the chicken?

BILL CLINTON - I did not cross the road with THAT chicken. What do you mean by chicken? Could you define chicken, please?

[felizitation]

God is an idea.

God does not care of time, so I always think that if he haven't done something yet, he has the eternity to do it

What about time ? isn't God the time itself ? Can time exists without God ?
If not, and if he kills himself, there would be no more time. So there would be no more life nor humans. And then no witnesses of his death.

Again... I always arrive to the same conclusion. God exists because of us. Maybe we exist because of God.

[spiral]

God exists because of US!


Now why did the chicken cross the road?