Nature of God

[loseyourname]

Originally posted by Anonymouse This is the silliest argument I have yet seen against God. You might as well write a children's book on Atheism. What do we look like a bunch of dumbasses? And why must God be a "He"? Can God just not be God?

Nice little critical analysis there, buddy. I take it you have no actual answer.

[felizitation]

Not bad Spiral you made me laugh

[Anonymouse]

Too many of these threads have been popping up like poisonous mushrooms, each asking the wrong questions and looking at this the wrong way. Man's views with regard to God are limited, within the constraints of finite human intelligence. Since we are finite, we cannot form no adequate idea of the infinite. Being material, we can form no adequate idea of the spiritual. We all acknowledge and believe in the infinity of space and time and the spirituality of the soul, but the idea of that infinity and spirituality eludes us. Even omnipotence cannot infuse infinite conceptions into finite minds. Human intelligence can't grasp it, nor our language express it. As the ancient sages would say, the visible is necessarily the measure of the invisible.

Our consciousness of the individual reveals itself alone. Our knowledge can't pass beyond the limits of our own being. Our conceptions of God and soul and other things are merely our conceptions not those things themselves. The universe is infinite while our ideas and conceptions are finite, since we are finite beings.

Thus God is not an object of knowledge, but faith. You shouldn't approach this by understanding, but by a moral sense, nor should you conceive it, but rather feel it. All attempts to embrace and try to interpet the infinite in the conception of the finite are just accomodations of the frailty of humans. Here thought retreats in conscious weakness, and our intellect is most obviously aware of its own insufficiency. This is why you cannot ask these questions and why this thread is pointless. It is here that we as humans display our stupidity by dogmatizing this, and trying to map out Gods nature and qualities.

All our damn cherished ideas of each of us are not pure truth or anything relating to God, but our own errors, or you can say our guess at the truth.

[loseyourname]

How about this? If God is completely free and morally perfect, is he free to do something immoral? If he is omniscient and completely free, is he free to act against what he already knows he will do?

[loseyourname]

Originally posted by Anonymouse Thus God is not an object of knowledge, but faith.

Faith in what? If you have no idea of what God is or even can be, then what is it that you are believing in?

[loseyourname]

What is the point in having faith in that which cannot be grasped. Why not simply remain skeptical? A God that we can't hope to have any knowledge of can't possibly expect a rational person to have any concrete belief regarding him.

[felizitation]

Originally posted by spiral
Now why did the chicken cross the road?

So, God is some kind of illogicallity of the human mind.

For the chicken, we have to keep in mind the chaos theory. Nothing is less determined than a chicken behaviour. Let me introduce some of my arguments:

The chicken (which is actually one of the most stupid animal) does not have logic. That is certainly one of the reasons it crossed the road and why we can't explain it.

The other reason is certainly because someone like pasa was running after it.

The third probable reason is certainly because you aimed at making it cross the road. I saw you, you were at the other side, trying to attract it with corn, in perfect synchonization with the truck that actually crushed the chicken.

No more chicken -> no more problem.



By the way: if there is no solution, it's because there is no problem.

[loseyourname]

Originally posted by felizitation So, God is some kind of illogicallity of the human mind.

For the chicken, we have to keep in mind the chaos theory. Nothing is less determined than a chicken behaviour. Let me introduce some of my arguments:

The chicken (which is actually one of the most stupid animal) does not have logic. That is certainly one of the reasons it crossed the road and why we can't explain it.

The other reason is certainly because someone like pasa was running after it.

The third probable reason is certainly because you aimed at making it cross the road. I saw you, you were at the other side, trying to attract it with corn, in perfect synchonization with the truck that actually crushed the chicken.

No more chicken -> no more problem.



By the way: if there is no solution, it's because there is no problem.

Take this nonsense elsewhere. Start a chicken thread.

[loseyourname]

Originally posted by Anonymouse This is the silliest argument I have yet seen against God. You might as well write a children's book on Atheism. What do we look like a bunch of dumbasses? And why must God be a "He"? Can God just not be God?

By the way, that wasn't an argument against God. It was an argument against the Christian theistic attempt to define God. Read a little more carefully before erupting like a five year-old.

[felizitation]

Originally posted by Anonymouse Too many of these threads have been popping up like poisonous mushrooms, each asking the wrong questions and looking at this the wrong way. Man's views with regard to God are limited, within the constraints of finite human intelligence. Since we are finite, we cannot form no adequate idea of the infinite. Being material, we can form no adequate idea of the spiritual. We all acknowledge and believe in the infinity of space and time and the spirituality of the soul, but the idea of that infinity and spirituality eludes us. Even omnipotence cannot infuse infinite conceptions into finite minds. Human intelligence can't grasp it, nor our language express it. As the ancient sages would say, the visible is necessarily the measure of the invisible.

Our consciousness of the individual reveals itself alone. Our knowledge can't pass beyond the limits of our own being. Our conceptions of God and soul and other things are merely our conceptions not those things themselves. The universe is infinite while our ideas and conceptions are finite, since we are finite beings.

Thus God is not an object of knowledge, but faith. You shouldn't approach this by understanding, but by a moral sense, nor should you conceive it, but rather feel it. All attempts to embrace and try to interpet the infinite in the conception of the finite are just accomodations of the frailty of humans. Here thought retreats in conscious weakness, and our intellect is most obviously aware of its own insufficiency. This is why you cannot ask these questions and why this thread is pointless. It is here that we as humans display our stupidity by dogmatizing this, and trying to map out Gods nature and qualities.

I was saying exactly this, in the wrong thread i admit ("evolution & religion", Arvee).

God take birth from the reflect of human intelligence on itself. It's a natural idea.
What is for you (anon) the nuances between a "faith" and an "idea" ?