Gay Marriages

[loseyourname]

The existence of an institution is no indication of the morality of that institution. I suspect that Christian efforts to reform gays will eventually go away because, as you pointed out, homosexuality is likely a genetic trait and it's pretty silly of someone to attempt to deny what they are genetically. Obviously, you're right that homosexuality is an evolutionary dead-end, but that doesn't mean it's immoral. I don't think a woman born with no uterus is immoral simply because she won't reproduce.

One thing that is very ironic about this is that if homosexuality is indeed a genetic trait, it would never have been passed on this far if not for the fact that repression efforts have kept homosexuals breeding with women against their nature.

[Anonymouse]

There used to be an institution aimed at keeping African-Americans from being compensated for their toil in the fields. Does this mean it was morally wrong for them to be paid?

Homosexuality is not the same as someones skin color. Look at our resident homosexual Dan. He is gay yet admits he likes some women and does watch some straight porn. You can't make sexual preference to be as solid as race, and people change from gay to bi to straight whatever. It doesn't give you a solid case to compare the two. In other words, behaviors change, whereas peoples' race cannot.

[loseyourname]

I wasn't comparing homosexuality to race. I thought I clarified my point when I said that the existence of an institution does not indicate its moral value. The simple fact that there exist centers that attempt to cure homosexuals of their homosexuality does not mean that homosexuality is immoral. It doesn't mean that it's moral, either. It's completely irrelevant.

[Anonymouse]

Of course, you take that position based on relativism, in which correct and incorrect become blurred, but alas, in this world there are correct ideas and incorrect ideas, just like there are correct behaviors and incorrect behaviors, and the ones that are correct are the ones that work.

[loseyourname]

I don't see how stating that the existence of an institution does not indicate its morality has anything to do with relativism. Of course, by your standards, we should judge the efforts of Christian groups to cure gays as morally wrong since these treatments have a very low success rate.

[Anonymouse]

I don't see how stating that the existence of an institution does not indicate its morality has anything to do with relativism. Of course, by your standards, we should judge the efforts of Christian groups to cure gays as morally wrong since these treatments have a very low success rate.

That is a non-issue, I was referring to the correctness/incorrectness of things. Just because people engage in homosexuality does not make it correct

[Deviance]

The existence of an institution is no indication of the morality of that institution. I suspect that Christian efforts to reform gays will eventually go away because, as you pointed out, homosexuality is likely a genetic trait and it's pretty silly of someone to attempt to deny what they are genetically. Obviously, you're right that homosexuality is an evolutionary dead-end, but that doesn't mean it's immoral. I don't think a woman born with no uterus is immoral simply because she won't reproduce.

One thing that is very ironic about this is that if homosexuality is indeed a genetic trait, it would never have been passed on this far if not for the fact that repression efforts have kept homosexuals breeding with women against their nature.

The homosexuals today are at loggerheads with the issue and deny that it is "genetic" because they think it is a matter of 'preference' or choice. However, who said anything about being a eunuch having an impact on being gay? You do not need to have a uterus to be a lesbian or be straight. Logically speaking, according it is thus far genetic, but we do not know for sure. WE already have built a standard and anything that deviates from that is considered beyond the norm. Therefore, it is immoral.

[Deviance]

I wasn't comparing homosexuality to race. I thought I clarified my point when I said that the existence of an institution does not indicate its moral value. The simple fact that there exist centers that attempt to cure homosexuals of their homosexuality does not mean that homosexuality is immoral. It doesn't mean that it's moral, either. It's completely irrelevant.

There is no institution for the contrary. If it wasn't really wrong they would not be considering it an alteration of the chromosomes and there will not be centers trying to "cure" them. It exists to reach up to the "norm" of things really. Has nothing to do with "value." It is there for a reason, not just to give Christians or Muslims or Jews an elitist appeal.

[hyebruin]

despite my open mind...helllll no!!! with gay marriage! that will just open up the gates of hell as i see it! then 3 4 5 people will want to "share their love"..oh give me a f*** break!!!!

besides! children need a mother AND a father (both male and female influence), meaning male and female!! just like + and - attract each other and electrons always spin around the nucleus and not the other way around, so too shall marriage be between a man and a woman.

people can have sex with whoever/whatever they want..that's their biz (as long as it's not with someone vulnerable like a child or a mentally challenged adult) but we need to stop redefining things that are as old as time! like marriage and family!!

[Anonymouse]

despite my open mind...helllll no!!! with gay marriage! that will just open up the gates of hell as i see it! then 3 4 5 people will want to "share their love"..oh give me a f*** break!!!!

besides! children need a mother AND a father (both male and female influence), meaning male and female!! just like + and - attract each other and electrons always spin around the nucleus and not the other way around, so too shall marriage be between a man and a woman.

people can have sex with whoever/whatever they want..that's their biz (as long as it's not with someone vulnerable like a child or a mentally challenged adult) but we need to stop redefining things that are as old as time! like marriage and family!!

Well, welcome to relativism, where hippies love to redefine everything since we are always "progressing" and we are oh so 'understanding" and "liberal" and "lets hold hands and sing koombaya" and "flower power".