Recent Influx of Immigration

[Darorinag]

anti pre-judging an individual based on a general categorization

Heh, and isn't placing someone in the general category of "stupid" JUST that?

But since you didn't raise any arguments about what I posted re: immigration, then I am assuming that you've got nothing to say about it. Feel free to say otherwise if I am wrong.

You have failed to SHOW how my arguments in this thread were racist. But then again, I'm not surprised. After all, you guys call anyone who disagrees with you about history and politics RACIST.

[anileve]

Originally posted by Darorinag
So, Ms. Anileve, how was that oh-so-white-supremacist website? Did you think your trick would work all the time like it did with Martin Luther King?

What on earth are you talking about??? My trick with Martin Luther King? Your paranoia would lead you to believe such fairy tales wouldn't it? My remark was not pertaining to the site you've posted, where unlike you I usually read through before jumping to conclusions. The fact that you are a racist, makes your views very unsubstantial, since there is a persistent tone of prejudice in majority of your posts. To make a rather observational statement one must be free of bias and subjective views. Most of your information comes as a result of some gibberish you pick up at your White Nationalist sites, forums and groups you are a member of. As an example of that is a typical formation of your oh so profound thoughts, here is a rough scenario:

“Bitter Dan is crossing the street to get to his school full of unfriendly students. Overwhelmed with his latest thoughts on Mr. Kings plagiarism he fails to stay aware of his surroundings, when he bumps into a blind Asian lady who is startled and starts waving around with a cane accidentally hitting Dan in the head. Dan, easily inflamed, runs home in rage and types in his search engine: “Asians, bastards, filthy pigs, need to go back home, anti-Asian immigration”. Results are displayed mainly consisting of other, ignorant, angry and disturbed little clans such as White Supremacist sites. He reads them and becomes inspired, ingrains those views and goes to the forum to display his newly acquired information. And the process goes on.”

Statistics as Seapahn pointed out is a non-trivial science, and yes in possession of wrong and a bias mindset, it can be interpreted and later used in a negative connotation to spread false information. Statistics is not: “Hey, I see tons of bums in the streets who happen to be black, well then it's obvious based on my superior observation that blacks comprise the largest group of poverty in America.” That is statistically wrong, just as it is wrong to look at a GDP growth rate of Armenia and say “Wow the number indicates 8% growth rate, hell Armenian economy is booming then, everyone must have jobs, and everything is mighty dandy” That is also inaccurate conclusion, resulting from an obvious neglect of environmental, sociological and political factors. Statistics is a very sensitive and largely manipulated field, it is not to be taken at face value and treated as these are figures and I shall post them to make a point.

Race is a myth it has been invented to single out a category of people who have been singled out as inferior or superior, based on bias views of prejudice individuals. It's not a fact but rather a part of an individual process. Many use race and ethnicity interchangeably which is absolutely incorrect.

Seap, I agree with you 100%!

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by anileve

Race is a myth it has been invented to single out a category of people who have been singled out as inferior or superior, based on bias views of prejudice individuals. It's not a fact but rather a part of an individual process. Many use race and ethnicity interchangeably which is absolutely incorrect.

Seap, I agree with you 100%!

Race is not a myth. That statement lacks merit and it itself is an egalitarian myth. The fact that the same egalitarian blacks cry for "racial justice" shows that itself is alive and real. And yes, the world is comprised of unequal people and unequal groups and some people are superior over others, despite what your view of the world 'ought' to be.

Of course, when one states that Jews overwhelmingly support egalitarian ideas, and institutions, and immigration, and "diversity", one is a "racist". I agree with Dan here. There is no way around the facts, and yes facts are facts otherwise we wouldn't have them.

But to those that wish to bask in their egalitarian fiction, pay no attention to this post.

However, it should be noted, unlike Dan, I only hate people who get on my nerves, and that's usually Asian drivers.

[Darorinag]

Yet another attack on the individual by Ms. Anileve, rather than the post. You think you're so smart, don't you? You still haven't said anything about WHAT the logical error in my stats-conclusion dynamics was. You are making comparisons, but sadly, those comparisons do not hold.

You might WISH that there were NO race or sex differences, but facts are facts, and you are in denial.

You clearly implied that the data I posted was from a White supremacist website. Anyone who says otherwise would be truly blind.

You need to learn how to separate a person's past from what their current views and arguments are. Just because I have been pro-jewish in the past doesn't mean that it's right to bring that into an argument when I'm talking with a neo-Nazi, for example. That is childish and totally ignores the rules of discussion. It's a VERY cheap shot. Clearly, I didn't bring any White supremacy into my argument w.r.t. "skilled" immigrants and the statistics I presented. In no way did those stats imply that I consider them inferior to Whites or any other race when it comes to skill level. But you didn't fail to bring that in, just like you always do. Because you can't answer my questions or reply to my arguments. I've seen so many people like you, so it doesn't come as a surprise. I can be gay and still argue against gay people's actions in a certain post or thread, and I have done that on more than one occasion.

To make a rather observational statement one must be free of bias and subjective views.

Perhaps. But aren't you biased too? What makes YOUR bias correct and mine incorrect, when it comes into an argument? You are clearly a feminist; you are also anti-racist. Everyone is biased - after all, if we weren't, we wouldn't be individuals, because we wouldn't be having any personal opinions. That disqualifies everyone then, doesn't it? Or double standards perhaps?

[Darorinag]

unlike Dan, I only hate people who get on my nerves

Umm, that's true in my case too. Except that those who get on my nerves are more than just drivers.

Asian drivers.

Heh, they have a great reputation, don't they? Maybe it's the eyes, after all.. who knows? and who says there's no difference in races, eh?

[anileve]

Originally posted by Anonymouse Race is not a myth. That statement lacks merit and it itself is an egalitarian myth. The fact that the same egalitarian blacks cry for "racial justice" shows that itself is alive and real. And yes, the world is comprised of unequal people and unequal groups and some people are superior over others, despite what your view of the world 'ought' to be.

Of course, when one states that Jews overwhelmingly support egalitarian ideas, and institutions, and immigration, and "diversity", one is a "racist". I agree with Dan here. There is no way around the facts, and yes facts are facts otherwise we wouldn't have them.

But to those that wish to bask in their egalitarian fiction, pay no attention to this post.

However, it should be noted, unlike Dan, I only hate people who get on my nerves, and that's usually Asian drivers.

This should be taken to the race thread. Anon, stop it with your egalitarian mambo jumbo and read my post. The definition I gave you is not my own but rather an actual definition of what race is. Once again the term is of a sociological origin. What does factually exist is ethnicity. Race was invented to separate people into classes and subordinate ethnicities into social categories. Perhaps for once you can treat the matter objectively and provide sources of your claims rather than express your personal assumption. Let me give you a definition of ethnicity...

Ethinic group:
A collection of people distinguished, by others or by themselves, primarily on the basis of cultural or nationality characteristics.

That term is factual and indisputable. You are interchanging the terms, which is inaccurate.

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by anileve This should be taken to the race thread. Anon, stop it with your egalitarian mambo jumbo and read my post. The definition I gave you is not my own but rather an actual definition of what race is. Once again the term is of a sociological origin. What does factually exist is ethnicity. Race was invented to separate people into classes and subordinate ethnicities into social categories. Perhaps for once you can treat the matter objectively and provide sources of your claims rather than express your personal assumption. Let me give you a definition of ethnicity...

Ethinic group:
A collection of people distinguished, by others or by themselves, primarily on the basis of cultural or nationality characteristics.

That term is factual and indisputable. You are interchanging the terms, which is inaccurate.

Culture is a reflection of race, dear, not the other way around. Take these posts to the race thread. You can state that it is of "sociological origin", yet you would have to account for the obvious biological differences.

And how would race be "invented" if there had always been Negroids, Mongoloids and Caucasoids?

[anileve]

Originally posted by Darorinag

You clearly implied that the data I posted was from a White supremacist website. Anyone who says otherwise would be truly blind.

First of all anyone who says that is blind, and you are the only one saying it. I fail to see your so called clarity. Did I say: "Wow, that site is a Supremacist site!" Or did I generally imply that your information often comes from those? Don't pick on things, just to say something, but try to understand their implications, paranoia as you've claimed yourself to possess, should train an individual to be more careful with implications.

[Darorinag]

So are you saying that there are no physical, intellectual, etc. differences in races, and therefore no races, and that justifies why immigration should be open to all, because the idea of race is fake and it aims to segregate people? I don't follow. What about the anthropological proofs to the differences between races? If everything were cultural, how can you explain the difference between a Turk and an Armenian, and between an Armenian and a Latino? Is it all just about ethnicity? It clearly is not.

And this is very much related to immigration, because a lot of people claim that immigration should be for all because all are equal.

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by anileve First of all anyone who says that is blind, and you are the only one saying it. I fail to see your so called clarity. Did I say: "Wow, that site is a Supremacist site!" Or did I generally imply that your information often comes from those? Don't pick on things, just to say something, but try to understand their implications, paranoia as you've claimed yourself to possess, should train an individual to be more careful with implications.

Might I interject?

So what if "most" of his information usually comes from "white supremacist" sites? What judgement or evaluation goes into determining they are "supremacist"? Because they back let say, white nationalist claims?

So by that logic you quoting your pro diversity articles is biased as well. What's your point? It is only when the facts meet the facts can there be a fusion in which truth will reveal itself. Truth will be there, but if we don't wish to accept it, we will reject because of whatever biases one has, be their "supremacist" or "egalitarian".