Evolution and Religion

[Anonymouse]

Creation, intelligent intervention, and alien intervention.

[loseyourname]

You already listed those, you dumbass. I said to give an alternative that doesn't resort to postulating pre-existing complexity. If you can't, then you are admitting that evolution is the only theory that can do so, and so avoids such question-begging.

[dusken]

I cannot believe you guys are still arguing this nonsense. This is the most boring thread on the forum. Let it go already. Nobody is going to change and it will go in circles for as long as this board exists. Is there really anything to gain from this? It seems that the only reason this is still going is because both of you want to have the last word.

[Anonymouse]

This isn't so much about the last word, as it is about belief. Loser has already confirmed that the theory of evolution is the best possible explanation, ergo a belief, a guess. That is all I wanted to here. And now he resorts to calling me a dumbass. I love the scientific minds that can't stand criticism of their beloved theories.

[Fadix]

Originally posted by dusken I cannot believe you guys are still arguing this nonsense. This is the most boring thread on the forum. Let it go already. Nobody is going to change and it will go in circles for as long as this board exists. Is there really anything to gain from this? It seems that the only reason this is still going is because both of you want to have the last word.

Yeh yes true... I think loseyourname is wasting his time trying to teach a delusioned kid, a kid that does even not believe that Earth revolve around the Sun.

[Fadix]

Originally posted by loseyourname God, aliens and any other form of intelligence are pre-existing complexity. Try again.

I just payed attention to that thread, how predictable he is. Is he not? He brought the same alien story on the other place and I have answered just the same way(preexisting complexity).

The guy claim that evolution statistically is impossible. But on the other hand he brought aliens. I mean if evolution is impossible, and that aliens had created us... from where those aliens come from?

[Anonymouse]

Theories are theories, I never said alien theories are fact, because they are theories, much like everything else about our origins. For evolutionists to claim some sort of superiority in having all the "answers" and resorting to name calling is the hallmark of arrogance, as Fadix has demonstrated wonderfully.

There is no more reason to believe in evolution, than there is to believe in Alien astronauts. But since it is about belief, one is as good as the other.

[dusken]

Originally posted by Anonymouse claim some sort of superiority in having all the "answers" and resorting to name calling is the hallmark of arrogance

As much as I do not want to get into this argument, it bothers me that you keep saying that when it is not true. I have addressed that more than once and you ignore it everytime.

Science, evolutionists included, does not say it has all of the answers. It says it has the ability to get answers. There is a big difference. Call that arrogance if you like, but it does not compare to religion which says it already has the answers and they are right until proven wrong. If evolutionists "have all of the answers" Dawkins and Gould would not be at eachother's throats.

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by dusken As much as I do not want to get into this argument, it bothers me that you keep saying that when it is not true. I have addressed that more than once and you ignore it everytime.

Science, evolutionists included, does not say it has all of the answers. It says it has the ability to get answers. There is a big difference. Call that arrogance if you like, but it does not compare to religion which says it already has the answers and they are right until proven wrong. If evolutionists "have all of the answers" Dawkins and Gould would not be at eachother's throats.

I have never claimed science is inconsequential. Rather I have claimed it is the study about behavior and reactions, in the natural world. When it attempts to construct models of origins and progression, etc., then it becomes no more faith based than a Bible thumpers belief in Jehovah. I have also seen no problem of using the scientific method to apply it to spiritual or religious matters, since only the nerfbrains would pretend it's for "biology only". With that said, I see no problem with science, when it behaves like science. Evolution is an example of a faith within the scientific community.

[dusken]

Originally posted by Anonymouse I have never claimed science is inconsequential. Rather I have claimed it is the study about behavior and reactions, in the natural world. When it attempts to construct models of origins and progression, etc., then it becomes no more faith based than a Bible thumpers belief in Jehovah. I have also seen no problem of using the scientific method to apply it to spiritual or religious matters, since only the nerfbrains would pretend it's for "biology only". With that said, I see no problem with science, when it behaves like science. Evolution is an example of a faith within the scientific community.

All of that has nothing to do with what I said. I am not going to be dragged into this. However, if you are going to argue, then argue. Do not finger point, name-call, and make vacuous insults to the idea of science or evolution. Calling something arrogant is meaningless and so is claiming that they have all of the answers. It is evasive posting. If there is nothing left to say but vacuous insults then give the thread a rest.