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Originally posted by Red BrigadeHow they could after all from the moment they have holy Church persecuting anyone who is against their rules by preaching ''Beleive and don't investigate.''
Originally posted by Red BrigadeI repeat for the second time that you are right that we shouldn't ignore that there were some advancments as well.One can only compare how much the people advanced during the pre Medieval times in Europe and during the Medieval times in Europe and will understand why they are called Dark times in every history book by the vast majority of the historical community.Achkerov kute.
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Originally posted by loseyournameAll right, you kind of lost me in that leap there. I understand that a landowner has the right to sell his land to whomever he wants, and to not sell it to someone that he doesn't want living there. His neighbors, however, have no say. As such, the Dutch people, who have no collective right to any extended piece of land, have no right to say who can or cannot live anywhere. Individual Dutch landowners certainly do, but you can't make the leap from that to saying that a Dutch government - which is what this would have to amount to, as you would never get every landowner to disallow Muslims purchase or rental of property - can dictate who can or cannot live on the land.
The other issue I have with this is that it is similar to the open borders crowd.
This crowd assumes that humans have absolute free will. If we had complete free will, any ideological and social system would work. But since we do not have complete free will, it cannot. As much as we have free will, we are also animals. We are social beings that group ourselves into families, tribes, and nations, like animals form packs. If you think that all society is nothing more individual atoms disconnected from everyone else, you are mistaken.
The fact that we group ourselves with our families or nations, shows that we are animals also. If we weren't like that then we wouldn't do it. Underlying in your assumption is that all tribes can share and occupy the same land and get along, in reality and history this has proven otherwise. It has always resulted in the domination of one over the other. Your position is basically the same as the open borders crowd.Achkerov kute.
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Originally posted by Red BrigadeThose same Byzantians were closing all the schools which were still keeping alive the ancient hellenic culture thus all the books which they ''preserved'' were already stolen.Emperors like Zeno and Justinian,are one of the few of many that commited a cultural genocide to the Greeks, always directed by the Church.Plenipotentiary meow!
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Originally posted by bell-the-catThis is again a complete myth. For example, when the Parthenon temple at Athens was finally closed and converted to a church, the famous statue of Athena was taken to Constantinople, where it survived until the supposedly "Christian" Crusaders burned most of the city in 1204. The statue is thought by some to be the origin of the iconic images of the Virgin that were so important in the Byzantine empire. Until 1204, Constantinople was full of pagan Greek and Roman statues and literature.Plenipotentiary meow!
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Originally posted by bell-the-catOr I might be thinking of the wrong statue - there was another one, of Zeus or Apollo I think, with a halo of golden rays, that was in Costantinople, and which influenced the depiction of Christ in art.Achkerov kute.
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