Einstein

[Stark Evade]

Yeah I understand - how many physicists and mathmaticians are household names though anyway - within the community folks like Hans Bethe and whoever else you might be refering to are well known - and as far as I know their contributions are correctly associated. Sure E gets the credit for relativity when several others were thinking and publishing along similar lines - but he did sort of bring it together and explain it succinctly...and publish...the latter part is very important...and we do attribute much concerning nuclear technology that in fact was developed by others with Einstein having only a tangental theoretical input - oh well - so it goes - but what do I know anyway - I am just a layman...

De Pretto published the equation E=MC^2 before Einstein. Poincare and Lorentz did most of the work on relativity and published before Einstein. Soldner had a hypothesis a century earlier about gravitational fields curving the path of light and Einstein's experiment made no mention of it. And, just for fun, H.G. Wells published his novel containing the concept of time as a fourth dimension (yup, the idea was conceived by a novelist).

so what are you some kind of egghead physicist or something? I thought you were some kind of scary clown?

I am nothing.

[winoman]

I am nothing.

OK dokey grasshopper...

[winoman]

De Pretto published the equation E=MC^2 before Einstein. Poincare and Lorentz did most of the work on relativity and published before Einstein. Soldner had a hypothesis a century earlier about gravitational fields curving the path of light and Einstein's experiment made no mention of it. And, just for fun, H.G. Wells published his novel containing the concept of time as a fourth dimension (yup, the idea was conceived by a novelist).

Well see - you knew this! ...and even I - no physicist - could recall some mention of these others (though not by name)...oh except for HG of course...full ahead Capt Nemo! To Infinity & beyond! or some such....

[Sip]

Scientists always contribute to or develope previous work. But Einstein has usurped credit from tens of scientists. He actually played small roles in all of the principles he is associated with. There are so many other names that people should be using and are not because of that fool.

What difference does it make if the average shmo says Lorentz or Einstein? 95% (kind of a generous guess IMO!) of the population can't even begin to comprehend theoretical physics let alone be able to judge papers based on content. But jumping from him being a household name to him being a "fool" is quite a stretch by any means.

Unfortunately I haven't read any of the papers by him, De Pretto, Poincare and Lorentz, etc so obviously I can't make any comments about who came up with what when and wheather the 1 or 2 years difference in when the papers were published make any difference. Having published several papers myself, I am well aware that even these days it could take up to a year or more from when you submit a paper to when it is actually published so him not having referenced work from a year before could have many other reasons.

HOWEVER, one thing I do know is that no one gets a nobel prize by being a "fool". Many can argue that it is a very politicized process and many factors (not all scientific) play into it ... but even at my state of cluelessness about the topic, it would take a lot of effort to be able to convince me the guy was a fool.

[Stark Evade]

What difference does it make if the average shmo says Lorentz or Einstein? 95% (kind of a generous guess IMO!) of the population can't even begin to comprehend theoretical physics let alone be able to judge papers based on content. But jumping from him being a household name to him being a "fool" is quite a stretch by any means.

Unfortunately I haven't read any of the papers by him, De Pretto, Poincare and Lorentz, etc so obviously I can't make any comments about who came up with what when and wheather the 1 or 2 years difference in when the papers were published make any difference. Having published several papers myself, I am well aware that even these days it could take up to a year or more from when you submit a paper to when it is actually published so him not having referenced work from a year before could have many other reasons.

HOWEVER, one thing I do know is that no one gets a nobel prize by being a "fool". Many can argue that it is a very politicized process and many factors (not all scientific) play into it ... but even at my state of cluelessness about the topic, it would take a lot of effort to be able to convince me the guy was a fool.

A whole post for the choice of one word. It's relative. Winoman refered to the theory of relativity as being his and I responded by essentially claiming that he is not much more than a household name as you said. He knew of the works of both Lorentz and Poincare. It seems to me that his work with the photoelectric effect was genuine.

[Anonymouse]

Raising Einstein's "success" to saintly status is due to his belonging to a certain ethnic group. We won't name names.

[Armenian]

Raising Einstein's "success" to saintly status is due to his belonging to a certain ethnic group. We won't name names.

Einstein was a good forgerer

It is claimed that he even took credit for many of the scientific concepts developed by his *German* wife.

[Lamb Boy]

Einstein was a good forgerer

It is claimed that he even took credit for many of the scientific concepts developed by his *German* wife.

Man this thread is getting seriously messed up.

You should seriously be banned for your RACISTS rhetoric.

To Mr. Hilarious Stark Evade AND Anon I have one question to pose to the both of you. While you guys like to defame a genius like Albert Einstein....

...what of any major significance have either of you ever contributed to society as a whole?

I think what Sip said about the Nobel Prize recipient was right on the money. Good point Sip!

You guys are a bunch of haters. You hate on Darwin, evolution, ethnic groups, Albert Einstein, me and probably a whole lot of other ppl. It's getting you guys REALLY far let me tell ya! lol

"Intellectual Lounge" HA! More like Haters lounge...

[winoman]

Lamb Boy - yes the so-called Armenian is certainly a disgrace and should not be allowed to defame our name by using such a moniker. yes - racists, haters, bigots, anti-learning, anti-knowledge....some of these people would be more at home in some Islamic theocracy then in a free/open and supposedly technologically advanced society. Now Stark is I think comming from a different postion. He is brniging up legitimate concerns regarding scientific (discovery etc) credit - and this is often a very sticky thing. I have decidely mixed opinions on his specific points (though based on my limited knowledge there is perhaps some legitimacy to the claims - however more seems to be resentment concerning publicity/image...) - I still do not think it significantly diminishes the reputation of Einstein - and certainly this has nothing at all to do with him being born a J ew.

[Anonymouse]

Man this thread is getting seriously messed up.

You should seriously be banned for your RACISTS rhetoric.

To Mr. Hilarious Stark Evade AND Anon I have one question to pose to the both of you. While you guys like to defame a genius like Albert Einstein....

...what of any major significance have either of you ever contributed to society as a whole?

That's a good question, and we can further ask what have any celebrities contributed to the world as a whole, or lamb boys for that matter? What contributions are we specifically talking about that are "positive"? What about "negative"? Inquiring minds need to know! Either way, my answer can always make Marxists happy, I provide labor power.

I think what Sip said about the Nobel Prize recipient was right on the money. Good point Sip!

You guys are a bunch of haters. You hate on Darwin, evolution, ethnic groups, Albert Einstein, me and probably a whole lot of other ppl. It's getting you guys REALLY far let me tell ya! lol

"Intellectual Lounge" HA! More like Haters lounge...

Awww, the lamb boy is not happy. I'm sorry there is no sheperd here to protect you from the wolves, but if the chaotic free flow of unsanitized and politically incorrect thought disturbs you, perhaps you can go to cnn.com forums.