So its been discovered that all white people are just mutants

[Anonymouse]

Re: So its been discovered that all white people are just mutants

So now I will recommend a book for you: (I have not read it BTW - but I don't need to - you do!)

The Mismeasure of Man

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0393314251/ref=cm_lm_fullview_prod_1/102-3426280-6204919?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=283155

The Mismeasure of Man, Stephen Jay Gould's masterful demolition of the IQ industry, should be required reading. Gould's brilliant, funny, engaging prose dissects the motivations behind those who would judge intelligence, and hence worth, by cranial size, convolutions, or score on extremely narrow tests. How did scientists decide that intelligence was unipolar and quantifiable, and why did the standard keep changing over time?

The revised edition includes a scathing critique of Herrnstein and Murray's The Bell Curve, taking them to task for rehashing old arguments...

From a reader review:

He argues that the mistake of researchers in this field right from the beginning has been the belief that intellectual capacity is a fixed measureable quality that follows inevitably from one's heritage. The white European males who started this line of inquiry naturally saw themselves as fine exemplars of intelligence and a worthy standard of comparison. Therefore, results that favored other racial groups and women were invalidated, finagled, or explained away

Yet it's interesting why intelligence always seems to show that Asians have the highest IQ, followed by whites intermediate, and blacks at the end of the spectrum. This would also correspond to the civilization differences and advances throughout history.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: So its been discovered that all white people are just mutants

Only a pea brain of your magnitude can confuse the two.

Anon, all this "pea-brain" talk is missing the point with the Wino-creature. He is actually an extremely intelligent person, and nothing with him is as it seems. He deceives for a living, and he also deceives for pleasure. And he is very good at it.
What you should be exploring are what are his hidden motives in espoucing such and such an opinion or cause. What is he planning to get out of it? What is his end goal? Block that, and you hurt him. But beware, without knowing what his goal is are you perhaps inadvertantly advancing his attainment of that goal?

Or maybe all he really wants is just to pick an argument with you - in which case, enjoy attacking him.

[Anonymouse]

Re: So its been discovered that all white people are just mutants

Or maybe all he really wants is just to pick an argument with you - in which case, enjoy attacking him.

Believe me, I enjoy it all the time. Just counting the number of spelling mistakes, run on sentences, and sentence framents he makes when responding to me makes me feel good knowing how much I frustrate him and make him angry - my views that is. And that is the most amusing thing about our winocreature.

[winoman]

Re: So its been discovered that all white people are just mutants

Well rat - it was you who posted all of these arguments from evolutionary biologists in the first place...

And I pretty much stuck with Cavalli-Sforza's own words - not the admittedly racist reviewer whose review I discount as they add nothing. Of course Cavalli-Sforza uses commonly heald racial distinctions in his presentation - because this is what people comonly use and can relate to - thus it is a matter of convinient catagoriztion to get a point accross - and that point is that the variations among genomes do not follow a strictly racial pattern - and for anyone who understands how these mutations come about this should be obvious as (commonly used categories of) racial groups tend to be spread accross differetn environments. Genetic mutation is a response to environment (or allows advantages in the environment that one finds oneself in - etc) - and we also see geographic distributions. Of course many of these will correspond to the (skin deep etc) racial groups as these groups have tended hitorically to live in some differetn geographic reagions - but we also see genetic drift in various swaths accross these populations that has no direct racial (comman ussage) correlation - to the point that no clear cut racial lines can truly be drawn.

And you really go out of your way to attemtp to put words in my moth to disporve a point I did not make. i already explained my positions enough times - and you really couldn't refute it - so you are trying to just twist my words to make it as if I said something different - I never said "greater" ...

yawn - I mistype and mispell as I try to keep the time I devote to answering your BS (and most chat like this in forums of this sort) to a minimum - thus I type it up on the fly and let it go at that - I really can't be bothered to craft up anything really serious and time consuming. And besides I am an incredibly poor speller and I don't type all that well either - so you will just have to suffer with it....

I'm still laughing at your blunders relying and linking to EVOLUTIONISTS! to attempt to make your points...hahahahaha - I'm waiting for you to post links to your true racist creationist origins of your position...unless of course you are willing to admit that your concept of race, biology and genetics is in fact based on that of EVOLUTIONISTS (which it fact it can hardly be otherwise....hahahahahaha...)

[winoman]

Re: So its been discovered that all white people are just mutants

Anon, all this "pea-brain" talk is missing the point with the Wino-creature. He is actually an extremely intelligent person, and nothing with him is as it seems. He deceives for a living, and he also deceives for pleasure. And he is very good at it.
What you should be exploring are what are his hidden motives in espoucing such and such an opinion or cause. What is he planning to get out of it? What is his end goal? Block that, and you hurt him. But beware, without knowing what his goal is are you perhaps inadvertantly advancing his attainment of that goal?

missed taking your meds today I assume?

[winoman]

Re: So its been discovered that all white people are just mutants

Yet it's interesting why intelligence always seems to show that Asians have the highest IQ, followed by whites intermediate, and blacks at the end of the spectrum. This would also correspond to the civilization differences and advances throughout history.

See here you are espousing concepts of superiority of one group over another.

IQ tests are known to essentially be bogus. And I cannot fathom your standard in any event - that Asians have "superior" civilization advances in history...which Asians BTW - are those from Persia the same as those from China - all grouped as "Asians" because they live in Asia? Where do you draw the line? (don't bother answering I'm really not the least bit interested in your frothing at the mouth answer - it is entirely of no consequence to me - as is this entire question of supposed IQ differences among major populations or what have you - I entirely fail to see what relevence any of it has - I have no need to associate myself to validate myself - unlike your clear need for such...

[bell-the-cat]

Re: So its been discovered that all white people are just mutants

Just counting the number of spelling mistakes, run on sentences, and sentence framents he makes when responding to me makes me feel good knowing how much I frustrate him and make him angry - my views that is. And that is the most amusing thing about our winocreature.

You see - you might have just given him one of those inadvertent advancements.
Its not just You-vs-Him. There is also the audience he is pitching for influence over. He now appears appealing to all the bad or lazy spellers! Maybe his bad spelling is intentional.

[winoman]

Re: So its been discovered that all white people are just mutants

You see - you might have just given him one of those inadvertent advancements.
Its not just You-vs-Him. There is also the audience he is pitching for influence over. He now appears appealing to all the bad or lazy spellers! Maybe his bad spelling is intentional.

And maybe your lack of a paying job has something to do with an allergy to paper...

[Anonymouse]

Re: So its been discovered that all white people are just mutants

Well rat - it was you who posted all of these arguments from evolutionary biologists in the first place...

Citing facts of racial differences is mutually exclusive from evolutionary biology. That just happens to be a method of explaining how we arrived, not necessarily truth.

And I pretty much stuck with Cavalli-Sforza's own words - not the admittedly racist reviewer whose review I discount as they add nothing. Of course Cavalli-Sforza uses commonly heald racial distinctions in his presentation - because this is what people comonly use and can relate to - thus it is a matter of convinient catagoriztion to get a point accross - and that point is that the variations among genomes do not follow a strictly racial pattern - and for anyone who understands how these mutations come about this should be obvious as (commonly used categories of) racial groups tend to be spread accross differetn environments. Genetic mutation is a response to environment (or allows advantages in the environment that one finds oneself in - etc) - and we also see geographic distributions. Of course many of these will correspond to the (skin deep etc) racial groups as these groups have tended hitorically to live in some differetn geographic reagions - but we also see genetic drift in various swaths accross these populations that has no direct racial (comman ussage) correlation - to the point that no clear cut racial lines can truly be drawn.

That supposedly the different races evolved out of environment is again an assumption. There is nothing that suggests this to be truth. It is a conjecture, like everything else in evolution. It has not, cannot, and will never be verified.

You keep clinging on to the 'variation within the group' excuse like a baby clings on to his mothers teat. It seems neither of you are separable. Insisting and reusing an already discredited, and what is more, a manipulative tactic (measuring gene frequences that help your cause and ignoring others), doesn't make your case any more valid, although, in the delusion confines of your mind, it certainly makes you seem validated, but only to yourself, so I guess whatever method of self-appeasement works.

And you really go out of your way to attemtp to put words in my moth to disporve a point I did not make. i already explained my positions enough times - and you really couldn't refute it - so you are trying to just twist my words to make it as if I said something different - I never said "greater" ...

That is not the point, you are obviously caught in an error you now wish you did not make, and this is simply winoman, trying to be winoman and weasel his way out.

yawn - I mistype and mispell as I try to keep the time I devote to answering your BS (and most chat like this in forums of this sort) to a minimum - thus I type it up on the fly and let it go at that - I really can't be bothered to craft up anything really serious and time consuming. And besides I am an incredibly poor speller and I don't type all that well either - so you will just have to suffer with it....

Look at how winoman is justifying himself. Why should anyone justify themselves to anyone, and on the internet for that matter, especially to someone who they loathe and hate and whose existence they find a waste? Apparently he values what I think of him.

I'm still laughing at your blunders relying and linking to EVOLUTIONISTS! to attempt to make your points...hahahahaha - I'm waiting for you to post links to your true racist creationist origins of your position...unless of course you are willing to admit that your concept of race, biology and genetics is in fact based on that of EVOLUTIONISTS (which it fact it can hardly be otherwise....hahahahahaha...)

Non sequitur but always emotional. That is the way winoman is.

[Anonymouse]

Re: So its been discovered that all white people are just mutants

See here you are espousing concepts of superiority of one group over another.

Just like different individuals are superior in somethings over others, so two different groups of people. You don't have to like it.

IQ tests are known to essentially be bogus. And I cannot fathom your standard in any event - that Asians have "superior" civilization advances in history...which Asians BTW - are those from Persia the same as those from China - all grouped as "Asians" because they live in Asia?

We are talking about Mongoloids.

Where do you draw the line? (don't bother answering I'm really not the least bit interested in your frothing at the mouth answer - it is entirely of no consequence to me - as is this entire question of supposed IQ differences among major populations or what have you - I entirely fail to see what relevence any of it has - I have no need to associate myself to validate myself - unlike your clear need for such...

IQ tests test intelligence. It's quite simple. The nerfbrains such as you, and the whiners don't have to like it. Of course, it's your egalitarian pastime to yell, whine and complain about how "racist" IQ tests are, but in the end, it's always those that underperform, and underscore, and want to make excuses of why they haven't gotten their act together hundreds of years later.