War in The Middle East

[D3ADSY]

Re: War in The Middle East

You have to be realistic about what you say and how you say it, truth or not.
Take a look at Mel Gibson. If he had staggered towards the policeman who pulled him over whilst drunkenly mumbling about how every Muslim is a terrorist he would be a shining beacon of "freedom of speech" in the West, and protesting muslims would be fanatics and their very protest would be proof that they are incompatible with Western culture.
What do you think such claims and talk about xxxish involvement in the Genocide would do to us and our push for it's recognition, especially in America.
But I'm rambling on, my original post had more to do with taking one line posts and other things posted on forums as pure fact. Take the claims about Nasrallah for example. Yes, he was born in an Armenian section (but it is not exclusively Armenian, also Shiite!), but what does that prove or mean? Who knows if he speaks Armenian or has Armenian friends? And should that have any bearing on whether I support a man who I know so little about that even hating him would be based purely on what pro-Israeli news says?
A simple google search of "Armenian + Nasrallah" yields a first result of "Armenian Orthodox primate calls Nasrallah a patriot" and an even better third result of:
"The Armenian Thread - Page 147 - Stormfront White Nationalist... Is it true that Hassan Nasrallah knowns Armenian? My mom mentioned it to me today".
Sometimes the truth is not the issue, especially if the target does not even see it as truth. Image is just as important.

Ugh so many digressions, there is a point in there somewhere!

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Actually, it's well documented that there was J[e]wish involvement in the Genocide, and that orthodox J[e]ws consider non-J[e]ws, including Armenians, nothing more than cattle. However, that is not the point, the point is consistency in our views towards religious fundamentalism.

no, i wouldn't even go so far as to say othodox j-e-ws "consider non-j-e-w-s" either. that's still far too simplistic. but i agree with the fundamentalism part. at least how i understand that.

i think j-e-w-s, in general, have a very good idea about genocide. anyone who is and denies another's genocide is in a kind of denial. they ignore the darfur genocide because the holocaust was worse or something. the iraq war is a kind of genocide. the violence discussed in this thread is going to be recorded in history as a MUTUAL genocide. COMPLETELY INSANE.

[Anonymouse]

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I will take all of the following as fact because I read it on an internet forum:

1. xxxs were responsible for the Genocide.
2. xxxs hate us and consider us Amalekites.
3. Nasrallah was born in an Armenian section of Beirut and speaks Armenian.

Did I miss one?

Actually, it's well documented that there was J[e]wish involvement in the Genocide, and that orthodox J[e]ws consider non-J[e]ws, including Armenians, nothing more than cattle. However, that is not the point, the point is consistency in our views towards religious fundamentalism.

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you said that well sip.

i work hard to get armenian genocide recognized. i don't want to be grouped with those who don't, or worse, those who deny. i am part j-e-w-i-s-h, but i don't agree with israel politics. don't judge a book by the cover. don't group by nationality, or by religion, or ethnicity as "all the _____ are such and such." people are too complex to group them in that way. that's crazy. that is one factor in wars.

war mentality: the ______ (group) did ______ to us. let's get/kill them. them who get killed aren't ever just the (group), too

i know i didn't say that in the right way, but i hope the basic message comes thru.

[D3ADSY]

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I will take all of the following as fact because I read it on an internet forum:

1. xxxs were responsible for the Genocide.
2. xxxs hate us and consider us Amalekites.
3. Nasrallah was born in an Armenian section of Beirut and speaks Armenian.

Did I miss one?

[Nemesis]

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An honest question. This has been raised before by me to Armenian. He brought up the same issues of Judaism's view of non-J[e]ws or goyim, and the utter insignificance and insulting manner in which it treats them. However, Islam, both the Quran, as well as the Hadith are riddled with similar proverbs and sayings towards non-Muslims. How do you reconcile your antipathy towards Israel and Judaism, e.g., blaming for much of the way Israel has behaved on their religious views, with your (I am assuming you support Hezbollah) support of Hezbollah, which is a fundamentalist Muslim brotherhood who espouse similar views of non-Muslims?

I know you are well aware of the j-ewish involvement in the Armenian Genocide and the denials. I think you have also seen the information where j-ews have considered Armenians Amaleks.

As to the Muslims, you know as well as I do that Armenians found refuge in Muslim countries such as Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Egypt and non-j-ewish Palestine and lived side by side in peace with these people. I've seen people cite passages from the Quran that are used when trying to stir up anti-Muslim sentiment and then I've seen Muslims say there are problems with those passages. But there seems to be two kinds of Muslims and to me some are very peaceful and don't bother anybody....so what is the problem with the other kinds, who BTW are always always always supported by the j-ews?????

You probably also read in previous posts that Nasrallah was born in the Armenian section and he speaks Armenian. One would have to assume that he probably has Armenian friends.

[Anonymouse]

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nemisis, are you J-e-w-i-s-h? i didn't think so.

what if i said that all armenians are hateful of turks. what about newborn turks? what about turks adopted by an armenian family. get over this obsession with turk and focus on the politics if you want to be mad at someone. this is politics, not nationality. newborn turks know nothing about anything they aren't taught. 20 years ago, there were newborn turks. brainwashing could have stopped with their generation. that is the same with any of this. anywhere. we need to prevent future war right now. that could have been done generations ago if people would give up the vengence drive.

i get your point, al franken is left. however, he isn't the left that rush is right (or is that reich?)

al is funny. rush is both scary and dangerous.

By chiding Rush Limba-a-a-aah and praising Al Frankenstein you are no different than those whom you accuse of appealing to Limba-a-a-a-aah for truth. Both are morons and both are nothing but typical party line spokesman, and anyone with an ounce of keen judgement and sensibility would do well for themselves to go beyond these fools who only trumpet party lines. The only difference between them is which party line they trumpet, but the similarity is they are both symptoms of the same rigidity in the two-party system. Since I don't know, what has been Al Franken's position on Israel's escapade of aggression and mass murder in Lebanon?

[Anonymouse]

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Qanna was an example of j-e-wish mentality.

"Go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and a.ss." (1 Sam. 15:3).

Yesha Rabbinical Council: During time of war, enemy has no innocents

The Yesha Rabbinical Council announced in response to an IDF attack in Kfar Qanna that "according to J-ewish law, during a time of battle and war, there is no such term as 'innocents' of the enemy."

All of the discussions on Christian morality are weakening the spirit of the army and the nation and are costing us in the blood of our soldiers and civilians," the statement said. (Efrat Weiss)

(07.30.06, 17:37) ynet news

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3283720,00.html

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An honest question. This has been raised before by me to Armenian. He brought up the same issues of Judaism's view of non-J[e]ws or goyim, and the utter insignificance and insulting manner in which it treats them. However, Islam, both the Quran, as well as the Hadith are riddled with similar proverbs and sayings towards non-Muslims. How do you reconcile your antipathy towards Israel and Judaism, e.g., blaming for much of the way Israel has behaved on their religious views, with your (I am assuming you support Hezbollah) support of Hezbollah, which is a fundamentalist Muslim brotherhood who espouse similar views of non-Muslims?

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nemisis, are you J-e-w-i-s-h? i didn't think so.

what if i said that all armenians are hateful of turks. what about newborn turks? what about turks adopted by an armenian family. get over this obsession with turk and focus on the politics if you want to be mad at someone. this is politics, not nationality. newborn turks know nothing about anything they aren't taught. 20 years ago, there were newborn turks. brainwashing could have stopped with their generation. that is the same with any of this. anywhere. we need to prevent future war right now. that could have been done generations ago if people would give up the vengence drive.

i get your point, al franken is left. however, he isn't the left that rush is right (or is that reich?)

al is funny. rush is both scary and dangerous.

[Nemesis]

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Qanna was an example of j-e-wish mentality.

"Go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and a.ss." (1 Sam. 15:3).

Yesha Rabbinical Council: During time of war, enemy has no innocents

The Yesha Rabbinical Council announced in response to an IDF attack in Kfar Qanna that "according to J-ewish law, during a time of battle and war, there is no such term as 'innocents' of the enemy."

All of the discussions on Christian morality are weakening the spirit of the army and the nation and are costing us in the blood of our soldiers and civilians," the statement said. (Efrat Weiss)

(07.30.06, 17:37) ynet news

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3283720,00.html

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