War in The Middle East

[Nemesis]

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I have been listening to him less. BECAUSE of these posts and other sources, I cannot believe him as much as I once did. I just wanted you to know what they are saying (just in case you didn't). I also wanted to let you all know (not that I wanted to be the Chicken Little of this thread) what Washington is alledgedly planning. As soon as I heard Turkey may be involved...my heart sank.

Congosleeza Rice said exactly what Washington is up to. She said, "What you are seeing is the birth pangs of a new Middle East."

In other words, a Middle East controlled and subservient to Washington and Tel Aviv with puppet governments throughout doing their bidding. They can take their "birth pangs" and shove them. Sounds like the wackos are trying to parrot some of those evangelical zionazi preachers/fake Christians.

[Anbidan]

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If you want to start seeing the truth, stop watching American TV and movies also stop reading and listening to their news (Which are controlled by you know who!) or at least find some other countries’ media sources so you can compare what’s happening. Never and never get your news or analyses from one source no matter what; you also have to use your intelligence to get to some conclusions.

[Sip]

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Armenian, I really do pay attention to what you say and consider it thouroughly. You have helped me in a lot of ways in seeing as how the United States is in the world.

I think Armenian said it best about how you really have to start "averaging out" all these reports from all the different sides. And of course US media outlets are very far from being non-biassed (if there actually is such a thing).

As far as Rush Limbaugh, if you listen to him for entertainment or to listen to his interpretations or viewpoints, then great. But he is not much of a "source" for anything. If you listen to the Rush Limbaughs, you might want to listen to the Al Frankens too out there ... then try to average them out somehow to get a reasonable view of what really might be going on.

Regarding the US and its role in the world ... if you listen to the Arab view, they'll make it sound like US is the most horrible thing ever, in charge of creating the bubonic plague as well as saggy boobs at old age. Of course it is really not that simple. But just as you don't want to only listen to CNN to get the view of the world, you also don't want to be glued to Al Jazeera as the alternative either. There is a middle ground that is probably closer to the truth than any of the extremes.

[Quarteria]

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I have been listening to him less. BECAUSE of these posts and other sources, I cannot believe him as much as I once did. I just wanted you to know what they are saying (just in case you didn't). I also wanted to let you all know (not that I wanted to be the Chicken Little of this thread) what Washington is alledgedly planning. As soon as I heard Turkey may be involved...my heart sank.

Armenian, I really do pay attention to what you say and consider it thouroughly. You have helped me in a lot of ways in seeing as how the United States is in the world.

[Armenian]

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Listening to Rush Limbaugh today (and, yes, I listen to him on occasion), he said that Hizbolla will bomb their own children if they can get it propagandized as the Israelis did it. He also pointed out that it was Hizbalah that first broke the cease fire.

Please, dont even mention his name. That filth is a disgusting character and a criminal who would have been better off selling used cars. I also listen to him on a regular basis just to see how stupid Americans are becoming. He is part of the reason why Americans are so pathetically stupid today.

Quarteria, if you want to know what is really going on in the region. I suggest you spend some time and research all the posts we have made in this thread. WHat is going on over there is a grand plan to destroy Lebanon, put in a pro-American pro-Israel force and then begin to attack Syria and Iran. The well being of Syria and Iran are vital for the region. Without their presence Ziojists, Pan-Turkists and Sunni fundamentalists will run amock. And small nations like Armenia will fal victim.

Again, stop listening to that filth and begin reading the many excellent posts we have made here.

[Nemesis]

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Listening to Rush Limbaugh today (and, yes, I listen to him on occasion), he said that Hizbolla will bomb their own children if they can get it propagandized as the Israelis did it. He also pointed out that it was Hizbalah that first broke the cease fire.

Listening to the radio right now, they said that the UN will probably not be used as a peace keeping force, but, rather NATO, after Hezbola is crippled. North Shore Congressman Mark Kurk (here in IL, but, claims he is speaking on behalf of the Pentagon, who) wants a half French, half Turkish force, with US air cover which would then occupy southern Lebanon and work for a demilitarization of that area.

Rush Limbaugh is an idiot....he eats George Bush's ka-ka so he merely is repeating the useless dictates of the US and israel. They will not get what they want. Waiting for Hezbollah to be crippled, they may as well wait for hell to freeze over. If anything, Hezbollah is stronger than ever.

[Quarteria]

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Listening to Rush Limbaugh today (and, yes, I listen to him on occasion), he said that Hizbolla will bomb their own children if they can get it propagandized as the Israelis did it. He also pointed out that it was Hizbalah that first broke the cease fire.

Listening to the radio right now, they said that the UN will probably not be used as a peace keeping force, but, rather NATO, after Hezbola is crippled. North Shore Congressman Mark Kurk (here in IL, but, claims he is speaking on behalf of the Pentagon, who) wants a half French, half Turkish force, with US air cover which would then occupy southern Lebanon and work for a demilitarization of that area.

[Anonymouse]

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Welcome To My Parlor

by William S. Lind

Welcome to my parlor, says the Hezbollah spider to the Israeli fly. The Israeli high command continues to express its faith in the foxfire of air power to destroy Hezbollah, but, as always, it’s not working. Lebanon is taking a pounding, to be sure, but Lebanon is not Hezbollah. Slowly, reluctantly, Israel is edging toward a ground invasion of Lebanon, for which Hezbollah devoutly prays. When air power fails, what other choice will Israel have?

A story in the July 24 Cleveland Plain Dealer gives a good idea of what awaits the IDF once it crosses the border in earnest. Israeli ground forces have been fighting for days to take Maroun al-Ras, a small village less than 500 yards into Lebanon. The battle has not gone well. Israel has lost five or six troops dead, with undoubtedly more wounded. It still does not control the whole village. According to the Plain Dealer piece by Benjamin Harvey of AP, Officers at the scene confirmed there was still fighting to do.

"They’re not fighting like we thought they would," one soldier said. "They’re fighting harder. They’re good on their own ground…."

"It will take the summer to beat them," said (Israeli soldier) Michael Sidorenko….

"They’re guerrillas. They’re very smart."

"Guerrillas" may not be exactly the right term here. As best I can determine from the wilds of Cleveland, Ohio, Hezbollah thus far seems to be waging a conventional light infantry fight for Maroun al-Ras. The line between guerrilla and light infantry tactics is thin, but Hezbollah seems to be putting up a determined fight for a piece of terrain, which guerrillas usually don’t do, because they can’t. The fact that Hezbollah can points to how far this Fourth Generation War entity has evolved.

Operationally, Hezbollah’s rocket attacks on Israel are the matador’s cape. That too is working. What of the strategic level? The Arab street is cheering for Hezbollah, often across the Sunni-Shiite divide, while the governments of states such as Egypt hide under the bed. The goal of Islamic Fourth Generation forces is the destruction of most, if not all, Arab state governments, so Hezbollah is winning strategically as well. One can almost watch the legitimacy drain away from the region’s decrepit states, with incalculable consequences for American interests.

Not that Washington is doing anything to protect those interests. On the contrary, it has rushed more bombs and aviation fuel to Israel, lest there be any unwelcome let-up in the destruction of Lebanon. In no previous Israeli-Arab war has the United States revealed itself so nakedly as a de facto political adjunct of Israel. Perhaps the neo-cons have convinced President Bush that Israeli olive oil can substitute for Arab petroleum as fuel for America’s SUVs.

An interesting theoretical speculation is whether, if Hezbollah’s Fourth Generation war success continues, some Middle Eastern governments might try adopting Fourth Generation techniques themselves. Lebanon’s fictional government has suggested the Lebanese Army may join Hezbollah in defending southern Lebanon from an Israeli invasion. Militarily, such an action would be meaningless, and it probably reflects a desperate desire to keep the Lebanese Army (which is 40% Shiite) from fractioning, along with Lebanon itself. But what if instead the government called for a million marchers, mostly women and children, to head toward the Lebanese-Israeli frontier, waving palm branches and singing songs? That’s how Morocco took the Spanish Sahara, and it would present Israel with a sticky wicket indeed.

Similarly, the Iraqi puppet government, whose impotence is now almost total, may call for a complete domestic cease-fire so it could order the "New Iraqi Army" to Lebanon. Even al-Qaeda would have trouble saying no. The U.S. would howl bloody murder, but such an open breach with the Americans is exactly what the Green Zone regime needs if it is to gain even a shred of legitimacy. The possibility is far-fetched, but an emerging Hezbollah victory over Israel will make many far-fetched possibilities real.

A Hezbollah success against the hated Israelis will give governments throughout the Islamic world a stark choice. They can either snuggle up as close to Hezbollah and other Islamic Fourth Generation War entities as they can get, hoping to catch some reflected legitimacy, or they can become Vichy to their own peoples. Since the first rule of politics is to survive, I think we can look forward to a great deal of the former.

From that perspective, the Tea Lady, aka U.S. Secretary of State Condi Rice, may just have uttered the most significant words of her remarkably empty career. Departing on her meaningless "shuttle diplomacy," meaningless because we will only talk to one side, she said current events mark "the birth pangs of a new Middle East, and whatever we do, we have to be certain that we are pushing forward to the new Middle East, not going back to the old one." Don’t worry; we are, we are.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/lind/lind102.html

[Armenian]

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Islamic Resistance destroys five Israeli tanks, 2 bulldozers and an armored military vehicle

31/07/2006

The Islamic Resistance said in a statement that its fighters have destroyed five Israeli tanks, two bulldozers and an armored vehicle Monday afternoon, on the Kafarkila-Odaiseh-Taybeh front, killing and injurig their crews. Earlier, Israeli Maarif daily said that 11 Israeli soldiers were injured in ongoing confrontations between resistance fighters and Israeli forces in the region of "Taybeh." The Islamic Resistance said that after the Israeli defeat in Maroun el-Ras, Bint Jbeil and Taybeh, resistance fighters targeted an infiltrating B-9 bulldozer between the town of Kafakila anf Odaiseh, to open a road for tanks. The tank was destroyed and its crew were killed and injured. And on Monday morning, a convoy of tanks tried to advance between the two Lebanese towns and they were confronted by Islamic Resistance fighters who destroyed two of them while a third one flipped over and crashed on a road in occupied Palestine. The crews of the three tanks were killed and injured.

Link: http://www.almanar.com.lb/NewsSite/N...00&language=en

Resistance fighters confront two Israeli elite soldiers near "Taybeh'" and "Odaiseh"; kill eight soldiers and destroy 2 tanks and hammer

31/07/2006

The Islamic Resistance issued a statement saying that after forcing the elite Golani forces out of Bint Jbeil, another unit of this Israeli Brigade infiltrated into the "Taybeh Project" region Sunday morning and were confronted by resistance fighters. The statement added that at least eight Israeli soldiers were killed when resistance fighters brought them around to a bulding and then destroyed it on them. Helicopters were unable to evacuate the killed soldiers and the surrounding region was subject to heavy artillery fire. Resistance fighters confirmed they are in control of the town and that a group of the fighters are after the fleeing Israeli troops. According to news reports, Israeli war planes have conducted more than 115 air raids in the region since the morning. The Islamic Resistance also announced that its fighters are confronting an infiltrating unit of the Israeli army near the southern town of Odaiseh, and have destroyed a tank there, killing and injuring its crew. And near the "Mtelli" settlement, the Islamic Resistance announced its fighters have destroyed a Merkava tank and a Hammer military vehicle, killing and injuring both crews.

Link: http://www.almanar.com.lb/NewsSite/N...ls.aspx?id=585

[Sip]

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I have a suggestion to make the title of this thread a lot more descriptive:

"The big fat anti Israel thread supported by all the n00b cheerleaders"