War in The Middle East

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israel ‘god’s chosen people’ versus hezbollah ‘the party of god’ (both so-called)

israel should stop this. and hezbollah should stop too. that is not simplistic.

"Nonetheless, we will see the total destruction of the Zionist state of Israel withn our life times."
what does that mean armenian?

[Armenian]

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"Nonetheless, we will see the total destruction of the Zionist state of Israel withn our life times." what does that mean armenian?

Whatever the words suggest.

[Anonymouse]

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Syria and Iran masterminded last week's Hizbollah operation to draw Israel and America in a new conflict in an already conflict saturated region in order to divert attention from Tehran's nuclear ambitions. This was a genius plan by Syria and Iran. By using the Hizbollah to attack Israel:

They have forced the hand of a trigger-happy Tel Aviv to commit atrocities against the civilian population of Lebanon. And by doing so, they have yet again disgusted the international community and turned Lebanese public sentiments totally against Israel.

Syria has been pushed effectivly back into Lebanese politics as protectors.

Hizbollah has gainded international recognition as a potent fighting force.

Iran has come on top as a major regional - soon to be nuclear - power.

And all international pressure upon Theran and Damascus has been diverted.

This was a win-win for Syria, Iran and their military organisation in southern Lebanon the Hisbollah. Israel's barbarbaric actions are actually serving Irans regional interests. And, as usual, Washington DC will make matters worst because it is run by zionists.

Nonetheless, we will see the total destruction of the Zionist state of Israel withn our life times.

I personally disagree with the above analysis for two reasons:

1. There is no conclusive proof that Iran is actively engaged in acquiring nuclear weapons (nuclear energy being a different matter) and, supposedly, if we take the word of their faith that the Koran forbids the use and possession of such weapons.

2. And assuming even if Iran were to make nuclear weapons, the process is an extremely expensive and time consuming one, thus they have not had and do not have the sufficient time and resources necessary to pump one out in these extreme times, especially if they become the next targets.

The thesis that Iran and Syria are pushing for war, is a thesis that is supported by Israel and America, and one that obviously must be taken not only with a grain of salt, but with barrels and bushels of salt.

Think about it, why would Iran want to start a war with heavily and nuclear armed Israel and America when it has no nuclear weapons and there has been no evidence to suggest that they have nuclear weapons? On the flipside, America and Israel have all the motive and intent to attack Iran, and Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker has already detailed American intentions to attack Iran.

However, since Israel and America do not want to be perceived as the warmongers that they are, they must lay blame on the other side when in fact it is in reality their own policy of subterfuge. So because Hezbollah has links with Iran and Syria, therefore it surely must be the act of Iran and Syria. Has it ever occurred to Washington and Tel Aviv that just because someone receives support, does not disqualify the fact that that entity is in reality an organization unto itself with its own independent goals and intentions? Look at the Taliban and the Afghanis America supported in the Cold War. Are they now not the enemies of America?

If Israel and America are merely looking for any reason to start a war (which I suspect is the case, as it was with America attacking Iraq), then the capture of two Israeli soldiers by the A-rabs is as good a reason as any.

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i expect the violence between israel and hezbollah to end within a week. too long, still. the violence and civilian suffering is nothing, compared to iraq, though. all sad and wrong.

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i expect the violence between israel and hezbollah to end within a week. too long, still. the violence and civilian suffering is nothing, compared to iraq, though. all sad and wrong.

It will not end in a week as that is underestimate the situation at hand, and the complete breakdown of the Middle East, and is a short sighted view considering the crisis.

[Anonymouse]

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Israel and the US fall into another trap of their own making

Amin Saikal
July 17, 2006


Israel's disproportionate military response to the abduction of one of its soldiers and the killing of two more by Palestinian militants nearly three weeks ago and to similar action by the Lebanese Hezbollah last week has generated a regional crisis.

The Bush Administration's public backing of such a response can only increase resentment of both Israel and the US in the Arab and Muslim worlds, further undermining Washington's efforts in the war on terrorism.

In part, Israel's overreaction may reflect the inexperience of its new Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert, and Minister for Defence, Amir Peretz.

Yet Israel's operations appear to be designed to go well beyond punishing Palestinian militants and Hezbollah.

What started as two minor skirmishes on Israel's borders with Gaza (which despite Israel's formal withdrawal from the strip a year ago has, for all practical purposes, remained under its control) and Lebanon, have been blown out of all proportion. The Palestinian and Hezbollah kidnappings are nothing new in the region. Israel has kidnapped, jailed and killed Palestinians and Lebanese in the hundreds over the years in the name of self-defence and combating terrorism, as defined by Israel.

Why has Israel overreacted? It is using the abductions to achieve a wider goal. In the case of the Palestinians, it has been deeply troubled by the rise to power of the radical Islamist group Hamas through a democratic election early this year. Although Israel initially backed the formation of Hamas in the late 1980s as a counter to the secularist Palestine Liberation Organisation, which it then rejected as a terrorist organisation, it has increasingly found it expedient to do everything possible to prevent Hamas from governing and strengthening the forces of political Islam in the region.

Israel's ultimate objective seems to be to cause the demise of the Hamas Government, and a civil war between the PLO and Hamas supporters as a way out of negotiating a possible end to its occupation. In this, it has had the support of Bush, who has been unhappy with the outcome of the Palestinian process of democratisation.

Similarly, Israel has been increasingly uncomfortable with the growth of Hezbollah and the speed of Lebanon's recovery following its civil war and democratisation, especially since Israel's withdrawal from southern Lebanon after 20 years of costly occupation.

Since its foundation in 1948 Israel's policy in historical Palestine has been to do whatever it takes to ensure that its Arab neighbours remain weak and divided. On this basis, while it has neutralised the Egyptian and Jordanian regimes through peace treaties and American influence, and the US has paralysed Iraq as a threat to the xxxish state, Israeli leadership has been keen to ensure favourable regime change in Syria and its regional ally, Iran, along with the destruction of the Syrian- and Iranian-backed Hezbollah.

Israel is seeking to destroy not only Hezbollah, but also Lebanon. Its wider objective is to set back Lebanon's reconstruction by years so that it could never rival Israel politically and economically, as well as to undermine the chances of any US-Iran agreement over Iran's nuclear program.

Israel has embarked on a dangerous game. Syria and Iran will not leave Hezbollah in the lurch.

The situation that Israel has generated by its overreaction will leave both Israel and the US vulnerable to wider accusations of a xxxish-Christian conspiracy against Islam, and an upsurge in secular and religious radicalism among Arabs and Muslims.

This can only assist al-Qaeda and its supporters, and may well illustrate once again the immaturity of the Israeli leadership, and the naivety of the US in handling the Middle East conflict.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/israel-and-the-us-fall-into-another-trap-of-their-own-making/2006/07/16/1152988409067.html

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i guess we will find out? if only iraq were that quick. the us isn't going to war with iran. i'm not worried about that right now. i am worried about the civilians in iraq tho.

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i guess we will find out? if only iraq were that quick. the us isn't going to war with iran. i'm not worried about that right now. i am worried about the civilians in iraq tho.

Maybe you should reconsider your view of America's neocons.

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i was saying what i expect will happen.

[The Abyss]

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Abyss, are any Armenians serving in Lebanese Army? I know few confused Armos serve in IDF. What a complete xxxx it would be if Armos on either side fired even a single bullet at each other in this confict.

Yes there are armenians serving in the army(soldiers and officers), actually we used to have compulsary military service that was removed 2 years ago, i was one of the last groups that served(as a second lieutenant) in the army as compulsary military service,so i am a reservist.
But our army is weak logistically speaking, because there is an embargo on the Lebanese army that goes back 30 years, emposed by the US that prevents the Lebanese army from buying guns and equipments.
It's ironic that israel and the world comunity is asking the Lebanese army to go and prevent hizballah attacks, and they know that the army is incapable of doing so.