Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

Comparing inter-ethnic marriage to outright slaughter is pushing, I'm not Armenian and I can speak the language to a degree of being able to communicate at this point wit someone without any trouble, I understand the alphabet completely and I know the history and know the differences in regards to music, etc., if I, someone without a drop of Armenian blood in my veins can learn this, so can someone who is half blood. THere are full blooded Armenians (And for that matter Mexicans, Cubans, Russians, Irish people) who don't know xxxx about their culture, a good example is your average ghetto wannabe Mexican or Armenian, who thinks they are the next Puff Daddy.

As to Armanen, we speak Spanish as we were colonized to speak it,Mozambiquecans speak Portuguese, but they aren't Portuguese and they culture differs from Portugal, and other African countries, just because we had a systematic cultural Genocide of our languages doesn't mean we are Spaniards now. The Irish speak English, the Irish are not English, same with Latin Americans.

Now you didn't say it was modern, others here have, I am just correcting them, Armenians themselves are a union of Urartians and Hittites (Aryans) for example, so some "miscegination" had to have occured there che?

I am totally for Armenians who want to marry only Armenians and totally for Armenians who don't, I am here concerned about individual liberty as people's private lives are none of anyone's business really, it's called ethics.
If parents aren't lazy they can teach their kids about their culture, whether mixed or unmixed.

A mix of cultures by intermarriage isn't what worries, consumerist culture is what worries me, more and more people are fitting into and assimilating into the Anglo American vision, one of the reasons America hates Mexicans is that we refuse to assimilate and they want us to assimilate, that and the immigration debate, which is ludicrous as we are the indigenous people and they need us to do their work, you'd think the least they could do would be to be kind with citizenshp and not favour rich people above the poor Mexican labourer

Now as to Ossetians, they are an Iranian Christian people, hence very close to Armenians, Im not saying they are exactly the same, I am saying analyzing like you analyzed us, you could say you are the same.

My point is everyone is an expert on Mexicans and Latinos, but most of everyone doesn't know much about our culture, I know you probably did not mean it offensively, but you have vast amounts of diversity in Latin America which is not shown to the world, this is not an attack against you Armanen, as many people do that, and I don't mean specifically Hyeclub either, what I am saying is many people do not know about our culture, and sadly alot of that has to do with the consumerist (American) way of potraying us, all I ask is that people try to learn the actual culture and see past the Fox Entertainment version of Mexican culture

[KanadaHye]

Re: Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

Actually I can, learn more about Ossetians, then you will see they have alot of similarities with Armenians, the language is as well Indo-European, the national dress, dances and music has similarities too.

By using the aforementioned way of analyzing Mexico, we can then say that Armenians and Ossets are near identical too, which we both know they are not.

As to family roles defining "race" (Armenians don't have a race, Armenian is an ethnicity, just like there is no Mayan race, it's an ethnicity, the race is Amerind in the case of Mayans, and Armenians are Caucasoid/Armenoid), gender roles changed with Abrahamic religion Dre, perhaps you should research Zoroastrianism and see for yourself the differences Armenia went through.

And mixing isn't a modern day phenomenon, how many Greeks didn't intermarry with the people they conquered, how many Persians and Armenians didn't intermarry before Islam and Christianity, bear this in mind please

I didn't say gender/family roles defining race, I said culture. Culture is what gives and defines identity. It doesn't matter which branch of race Armenians came from, they still share a common root. It also doesn't matter how many intermarried, as long as those that survive today can define themselves as being Armenian. Those of us that defines themselves as Armenian have a right to defend their own culture, heritage and people as they see fit.

If you can't see why we're so defensive, might I point you to the following news article....

http://forum.hyeclub.com/showpost.ph...72&postcount=1

[Armanen]

Re: Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

Actually I can, learn more about Ossetians, then you will see they have alot of similarities with Armenians, the language is as well Indo-European, the national dress, dances and music has similarities too.

By using the aforementioned way of analyzing Mexico, we can then say that Armenians and Ossets are near identical too, which we both know they are not.

As to family roles defining "race" (Armenians don't have a race, Armenian is an ethnicity, just like there is no Mayan race, it's an ethnicity, the race is Amerind in the case of Mayans, and Armenians are Caucasoid/Armenoid), gender roles changed with Abrahamic religion Dre, perhaps you should research Zoroastrianism and see for yourself the differences Armenia went through.

And mixing isn't a modern day phenomenon, how many Greeks didn't intermarry with the people they conquered, how many Persians and Armenians didn't intermarry before Islam and Christianity, bear this in mind please

I know quite a bit about Ossetians and I do not deny there are similarities between them and Armenians, however, unlike Mexicans and Colombians, we do not speak the same language. The Poles speak an IE language too does that mean they are really similar to Armenians? This is a major factor.

Just because our dress and dances have similarities with theirs doesn't really prove what you are trying to say. In that case I guess we could live with the azeri's, turks, georgians, assyrians or kurds too.

As far as race I never said Armenians were an independent race, but we are an independent ethnicity with the closest people being some of our neighbors who due to the history of the area do have a great amount of Armenian blood i.e. turks and azeris.


Again, I didn't say mixing is a modern issue so I am not sure why you brought this up.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

Actually I can, learn more about Ossetians, then you will see they have alot of similarities with Armenians, the language is as well Indo-European, the national dress, dances and music has similarities too.

By using the aforementioned way of analyzing Mexico, we can then say that Armenians and Ossets are near identical too, which we both know they are not.

As to family roles defining "race" (Armenians don't have a race, Armenian is an ethnicity, just like there is no Mayan race, it's an ethnicity, the race is Amerind in the case of Mayans, and Armenians are Caucasoid/Armenoid), gender roles changed with Abrahamic religion Dre, perhaps you should research Zoroastrianism and see for yourself the differences Armenia went through.

And mixing isn't a modern day phenomenon, how many Greeks didn't intermarry with the people they conquered, how many Persians and Armenians didn't intermarry before Islam and Christianity, bear this in mind please

[Sip]

Re: Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

On a completely unrelated note, does ANYONE watch MTV anymore?

[Armanen]

Re: Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

Personally, I think the intermixing is a temporary anomally... people aren't mixing by choice, their lives are being decided more or less by educational intitutions, governments and corporations. The world can't function without race (differing people competing against one another). Personally, I'm attracted to culture... however I think most races have lost their sense of culture since women and men no longer have separate roles and culture is being upheld by business.

Well put. It is in the interest of the super elite to have mindless consumers who live the artificial lifestyle that mtv or what have you tells them to.

[Armanen]

Re: Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

Entirely incorrect, you assume all Mexicans to be the same and all "latinos" to be the same, look at our culture and history, mostly Mexican culture the music, the food, the folklore, the dances, etc. cannot be found outside of Mexico generally as we draw our culture from Mayan and Nahuatl culture with some Spanish influence, we are descended from the indigenous people and are indigenous people we were forced to speak Spanish.

That is real cultural Genocide, while I agree that anyone should be allowed to marry within their own culture if they so choose, the same right should go for those practising exogamy, if mixed Armenians were treated the same as full bloods and not ostracized alot wouldn't want to assimilate.

Am I saying that mixed marriage should be encouraged, no, am I saying that it should discouraged, no. I am merely saying no one has the right to interfere with an individual's liberty, most Armenians will marry Armenians anyway, so its not the end of the world if a few marry otars.
According to a report 55% of Armenians are women, no if Armenians were to only marry Armenians, there would still be 5% who are single, meaning in short about 100 000 women more or less, should they all become chattel or what should become of them, may they never marry or enter polygamy instead? I cannot recall who did the report, but as soon as I find it I shall attach.

There are less Cherokee than Armenians, they aren't gone, and they aren't as old as Armenians, or for that matter Mayans and Nahuatls (Toltec, Aztec, etc.). The Chinese at a stage encouraged interethnic marriage and they are the largest ethnic group most of whom are Han Chinese, so bear that in mind as well

Y'all assume that DNA equals culture,whereas most Armenians just like any other race, aren't pure, racial purity is a myth, many Armenians intermarried with Persians, Georgians and Greeks. and many of those assimilated as Armenians as well.

Now let me show you actual Mexican stats, worldwide there are only 8 Million Mayans, and only 1.3 Million Nahuatls, plus the other Indians in Mexico and those defined by government as Mestizo (meaning in Mexico a Spanish speaking Indian as Mexico doesn't take race into regard).

We are not the same, the other Indians had different cultures, different history, just because we were colonized by Spain doesn't make us less Indian and less unique, I'd recommend visiting Bolivia vs Guatemala to get an actual perspective on our people. Why do you think they call it Mexican food and not Hispanic food

I understand the differences between Mexicans and Columbians or Bolivians for an example, but you can not possibly claim that there is any country in the world that is as close to Armenian culture and ethnicity as Mexico is to any other Latin American country.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

It will quickly become less weird as you learn more about Armenian history. Armenians have had to struggle a lot to preserve themselves so our mere existence today is due to this what you call "weirdness".

Of course the world is changing VERY quickly now and pretty much all cultures in the world well on their way to become a very entertaining mix. Some people are naturally affraid of it but in my opinion, this change is unavoidable.

However, I do not think we will all become indistinguishable, identity-less, semi-brown people. No ... I think our differences will emerge in much more unique ways and will no longer be defined by "race" and geographical regions. We'll end up grouping by ideologies, interests, and other aspects rather than race. Buuuuuut that's kinda besides the point as what I think will happen in the next few hundred years is irrelevant in what you are asking here.

To answer your question, you have to evaluate his or her parents. If they are open to it, you have a chance. Otherwise, any relationship is severely doomed from the get-go.

Personally, I think the intermixing is a temporary anomally... people aren't mixing by choice, their lives are being decided more or less by educational intitutions, governments and corporations. The world can't function without race (differing people competing against one another). Personally, I'm attracted to culture... however I think most races have lost their sense of culture since women and men no longer have separate roles and culture is being upheld by business.

[Sip]

Re: Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

Never mind...
I've been reading some topics in this forum, and I just found out that you only like Armenians.

Weird.

It will quickly become less weird as you learn more about Armenian history. Armenians have had to struggle a lot to preserve themselves so our mere existence today is due to this what you call "weirdness".

Of course the world is changing VERY quickly now and pretty much all cultures in the world well on their way to become a very entertaining mix. Some people are naturally affraid of it but in my opinion, this change is unavoidable.

However, I do not think we will all become indistinguishable, identity-less, semi-brown people. No ... I think our differences will emerge in much more unique ways and will no longer be defined by "race" and geographical regions. We'll end up grouping by ideologies, interests, and other aspects rather than race. Buuuuuut that's kinda besides the point as what I think will happen in the next few hundred years is irrelevant in what you are asking here.

To answer your question, you have to evaluate his or her parents. If they are open to it, you have a chance. Otherwise, any relationship is severely doomed from the get-go.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

If you read Armenian history you will understand why it is so important for Armenians to keep their identity, best way of doing that is living in Armenia, second best, if an Armenian is outside of the Homeland, is to marry an Armenian.

See if Mexico or some other Latin country's people lost their country or even if the majority of Mexicans were wiped out, their culture and the remaining Mexicans would be able to continue in the many other Latin countries and still have more less the same culture. With Armenia that is not the case, none of our neighboring countries nor any other country for that matter resemble us enough for the above scenario to work for us.

Entirely incorrect, you assume all Mexicans to be the same and all "latinos" to be the same, look at our culture and history, mostly Mexican culture the music, the food, the folklore, the dances, etc. cannot be found outside of Mexico generally as we draw our culture from Mayan and Nahuatl culture with some Spanish influence, we are descended from the indigenous people and are indigenous people we were forced to speak Spanish.

That is real cultural Genocide, while I agree that anyone should be allowed to marry within their own culture if they so choose, the same right should go for those practising exogamy, if mixed Armenians were treated the same as full bloods and not ostracized alot wouldn't want to assimilate.

Am I saying that mixed marriage should be encouraged, no, am I saying that it should discouraged, no. I am merely saying no one has the right to interfere with an individual's liberty, most Armenians will marry Armenians anyway, so its not the end of the world if a few marry otars.
According to a report 55% of Armenians are women, no if Armenians were to only marry Armenians, there would still be 5% who are single, meaning in short about 100 000 women more or less, should they all become chattel or what should become of them, may they never marry or enter polygamy instead? I cannot recall who did the report, but as soon as I find it I shall attach.

There are less Cherokee than Armenians, they aren't gone, and they aren't as old as Armenians, or for that matter Mayans and Nahuatls (Toltec, Aztec, etc.). The Chinese at a stage encouraged interethnic marriage and they are the largest ethnic group most of whom are Han Chinese, so bear that in mind as well

Y'all assume that DNA equals culture,whereas most Armenians just like any other race, aren't pure, racial purity is a myth, many Armenians intermarried with Persians, Georgians and Greeks. and many of those assimilated as Armenians as well.

Now let me show you actual Mexican stats, worldwide there are only 8 Million Mayans, and only 1.3 Million Nahuatls, plus the other Indians in Mexico and those defined by government as Mestizo (meaning in Mexico a Spanish speaking Indian as Mexico doesn't take race into regard).

We are not the same, the other Indians had different cultures, different history, just because we were colonized by Spain doesn't make us less Indian and less unique, I'd recommend visiting Bolivia vs Guatemala to get an actual perspective on our people. Why do you think they call it Mexican food and not Hispanic food