Interracial Relationships.

[Crimson Glow]

This is the sort of bromide that I cannot stand. I was banned for somehow using profanity and "yelling", yet this is tolerable simply because of viewpoints and moderator bias, and I wouldn't be surprised if this post is edited. It seems viewpoints that take on a controversial or traditional or conservative stance are not encouraged nor tolerated and those whom we agree with are to be lauded.

You....just covered every sort of viewpoint one could have. Which ones are the ones being tolerated, then? And oh yes! I write insulting posts soooooo often!

If you don't like to preserve your heritage or culture, why do you even bother with calling yourself such? Simply leave, change your name, change your ways, since Armenians seems to be really good at it. In all honesty, Armenians like that are better off not calling themselves such. I'd rather contribute such people to the genotypes of others as opposed to my own.

First of all, you're in no position to be passing judgement on who has the right to call themselves Armenian, and who doesn't, Mr. Holy man. Second of all, where do you get off proclaiming that you shouldn't bother calling yourself Armenian just because you refuse to force yourself to marry one? Why would anyone be on this site if they didn't have at least an ounce of pride in their heritage, or if they wanted to change their name and ways, as you proclaim? Things don't have to go exactly your way or meet your ideals in order to be valid, Mousey.

Nationalities are political, as the case of Cuba or anyone else can show, but races and racial differences are biological and nothing is "made up".

I thought we made it clear that Armenians are not a race, but an ethnicity, so I fail to see how race being biological bears any relevance. And I'm not talking about biological structure, anyway. I'm talking about the actual break down of labeling, and where it started/came from. Nature and biology did not take different races (even if we credit biology with races), and divide them up into Armenians, Azerbejianis, Turks, Chinese, Germans, Native Americans, etc. We segmented ourselves into little groups, created cultures within those groups, and distinguished labels for each.

It is precisely nature that made the differing peoples which produce differing cultures and only idiots would think otherwise. I believe that insult is justified since you were allowed to insult and get away with it, by the powers that be in the ivory tower.

Nature may have made the different physical appearances in peoples, but again, that has nothing to do with the cultures and separation by labels that they breed. I already refuted this point in my above paragraph. Now I could stoop down to your persuasive name calling defense level but I'll stick to tearing your argument apart instead.

And how quaint that you would pick out that post which was merely a reply to an assualt already under way against me. I waited 11 full pages before I made a post on this thread, and the first one I make gets attacked by a reply baring huge fonts that look like they eat rainbows for dinner, and little significance. I would venture to say the only reason you pointed out my post is because it goes so harshly against your opinion, which struck a deep nerve with you. Had I flat out called a girl on here a sl*t on the abortion thread, you wouldn't have said a word, because I was "on your side" for that one. It's a discussion, Mouse. If you can't handle people having views deduced half way logically that contest your own, don't bother getting involved in one. Bottom line is, I have NEVER just come out and made a personal attack on someone out of no where just because I didn't agree with their view. The only time I start getting crude is when it's self defense, and it's ludicrous that you took this oppurtunity to drag me into your own personal problems with the mods, just because I disagree with your stance, and speak out so vehemently about it.

Why is it assumed that somehow by "coming here" we have ipso facto chosen to give up our heritage because Armenia is not liveable?

No one said give up your heritage. I merely said compromises are going to HAVE to be made. Again, Mousey, for those of us that haven't infested the hell hole known as LA, do you want to tell me what you'd like us to do? No Armenians within a who knows how many mile radius, no one that's heard of us....how exactly are you supposed to preserve anything? Our parents and grandparents brought us here, left us in the middle of no man's land, and now you have the nerve to make the accusation that Armenians are too quick to give up their heritage because they won't exclusively marry another Armenian?? What a preposterous notion.

I've noticed there seems to be an all or nothing attitude with you, though, so maybe logic is wasted upon you. Everything is either perfectly taylored to your opinion, or it's wrong. There is no middle ground, no matter how valid you find someone else's comments deep down inside. I knew this already, but it completely crystalized after your last post on the abortion thread. It's ironic that I have the matrix philosophy, because you're the one that seems to have reality mixed up with your ideal world. You seem to live on this plain of pixie stix and fruit roll ups, where all is perfectly taylored to your liking, and everything works itself out in the end in candy land. Anyone who tries to slap you back down to reality is the enemy, or is an "idiot" for not allowing you to continue to float on your fairy marshmallow (<-- heh. Doesn't that kind of look like an Arabic word?) cloud.

Now pinch yourself. Whoa, the truth never hurt so much, did it your holiness? Damn, mouse. Why'd you have to make this personal?

[Crimson Glow]

here i hugg u now u big monkey boy

WHOA! Let's not get into personal info, there!

[Anonymouse]

First of all, you're in no position to be passing judgement on who has the right to call themselves Armenian, and who doesn't, Mr. Holy man. Second of all, where do you get off proclaiming that you shouldn't bother calling yourself Armenian just because you refuse to force yourself to marry one? Why would anyone be on this site if they didn't have at least an ounce of pride in their heritage, or if they wanted to change their name and ways, as you proclaim? Things don't have to go exactly your way or meet your ideals in order to be valid, Mousey.

It is quite simple you see, the only difference between you and I is that I am not a one of those "Armenians", that supposedly proclaim themselves as somehow championing the cause of Armenians, but are all to quick to sell out Armenians and marry odars and forget who they are in a heartbeat, because of some silly pessimistic worldview that you seem bound to. The question you raise is a prudent one, for why would anyone be willing to be on this website trying to lie to only themselves of how they "love" Armenian culture, when in reality they are not willing to put their heritage ahead of their hedonistic interests?

I thought we made it clear that Armenians are not a race, but an ethnicity, so I fail to see how race being biological bears any relevance. And I'm not talking about biological structure, anyway. I'm talking about the actual break down of labeling, and where it started/came from. Nature and biology did not take different races (even if we credit biology with races), and divide them up into Armenians, Azerbejianis, Turks, Chinese, Germans, Native Americans, etc. We segmented ourselves into little groups, created cultures within those groups, and distinguished labels for each.

No one said Armenians are a race. In your speedy attempt at trying to formulate an incoherent response you apparently forget that Armenians are an ethnicity within a race, the white race. Who cares when the "actual breakdown of labeling" started to take place, for all we can point to nations were even mentioned as far as the Bible, or even in antiquity in Egypt, and in Rome and Greece. We need not rely on modern fables of "matrix philosophies". The fallacy in your argument is that you have apparently no knowledge of biology for if you did you wouldn't make silly statements parroting Marxist/post-modernist horsepucky such as "biology did not take different races", for what else did? How else do you explain the biological differences?

Nature may have made the different physical appearances in peoples, but again, that has nothing to do with the cultures and separation by labels that they breed. I already refuted this point in my above paragraph. Now I could stoop down to your persuasive name calling defense level but I'll stick to tearing your argument apart instead.

While appealing to post-modernist and Marxist philosophy may seem appealing since it answers everything and also answers nothing, it is a waste of energy and effort. Nature not only gave peoples differing physical appearances, but gave them differing temperaments, personalities, intellects, strengths, and capacities. You have "refuted" nothing. Every culture is a product of differing peoples, no two races, just like no two peoples, are the same and equal, and no two races have produced the same cultures and this is a fact evidenced throughout all of human history, only to be blurred and ignored by modern "academia" which relies heavily on the nonsense you subscribe to - egaltiarian, Marxist, post-modernist fallacies. It is a fact of nature and history that races have differed in every aspect, from their performance physically to their performance intellectually. You can compare differing peoples with their differing cultures. For examples, no blacks below sub-saharan Africa have created a vibrant civilization, did not invent the wheel or alphabet, in fact some of those places still practice cannibalism. You can compare the alphabets of Asian peoples, with that of Western peoples and see the differences in the cultures different peoples produce, you can compare the architecture and also see that as evidence of the creative potential of peoples. Mixed race societies such as the Middle-East, North Africa, Central and South America are only evidences of what racial heterogeneity does and mixing does, it destroys that creative potential and vitality in a people. The only vibrant civilizations are the homogenous ones. You do not have to like it, but do not come up with innane reasons of how you "refuted" this simply by your Marxist leanings.

People are not automatons and have discrete ancestors. In a century the resulting human will have only one white great-great- grandparent. He will be visibly Asian since about 60 percent of the world's population is Asian. In round numbers, this amounts to ten of the sixteen great-great-grandparents, including four from China alone. Three would come from India and the Middle East Africa and central and South America. Do you understand what this spells? Of course you don't. You're to busy trying to decipher what is the next "tainted" lie that is being fed to you by the Matrix umbilical chords.

The Marxist campaign to eliminate feelings of national, cultural, or racial solidarity among peoples ( and it's funny that the only people foolish enough to accept nonsense of "diversity as a strength" are white countries since America will be majority non white by 2050 and Europe by 2090 and eventually disappear) was undertaken largely in the hope that the abolition of racial solidarity would inaugurate an era of world peace ( such stupid idealisms have caused enough damage ). Any idealistic group that unilaterally dismantles its own tribal sense will be swept away by groups that have retained theirs, and hence why the white race is doomed to vanish and so with it Armenians. Unless the current direction is changed, these peoples will be destroyed by the centrifugal forces of history. Only idiots would claim that such is "not truth" and "is tainted" or that we "made up these things". Please. The whole history of mankind and the rise and fall of civilizations can be traced to this pattern of peoples changing.

And how quaint that you would pick out that post which was merely a reply to an assualt already under way against me. I waited 11 full pages before I made a post on this thread, and the first one I make gets attacked by a reply baring huge fonts that look like they eat rainbows for dinner, and little significance. I would venture to say the only reason you pointed out my post is because it goes so harshly against your opinion, which struck a deep nerve with you. Had I flat out called a girl on here a sl*t on the abortion thread, you wouldn't have said a word, because I was "on your side" for that one. It's a discussion, Mouse. If you can't handle people having views deduced half way logically that contest your own, don't bother getting involved in one. Bottom line is, I have NEVER just come out and made a personal attack on someone out of no where just because I didn't agree with their view. The only time I start getting crude is when it's self defense, and it's ludicrous that you took this oppurtunity to drag me into your own personal problems with the mods, just because I disagree with your stance, and speak out so vehemently about it.

The only reason why I attacked you was due to my situation with a certain moderator and your condescending tone toward a dissenting opinion. I can sit here and type the same rubbish about you, that the only reason you started to insult another poster was because you "can't handle people having views deduced half way logically that contest your own". And stop whining and acting like some sort of "holy victim" that I am dragging you in some problem with mods. Please, it's not becoming...Neo.

No one said give up your heritage. I merely said compromises are going to HAVE to be made. Again, Mousey, for those of us that haven't infested the hell hole known as LA, do you want to tell me what you'd like us to do? No Armenians within a who knows how many mile radius, no one that's heard of us....how exactly are you supposed to preserve anything? Our parents and grandparents brought us here, left us in the middle of no man's land, and now you have the nerve to make the accusation that Armenians are too quick to give up their heritage because they won't exclusively marry another Armenian?? What a preposterous notion.

Of course Armenians are quick to give up their heritage. Once again you bring up silly reasons of grandparents leaving you in no mans land. A real Armenian, a real lover of cultural wouldn't let such silly things get in his/her way. Armenians for the most part have lived outside in other peoples' lands, what did they have to say? I am to guess some of them would commit suicide if they came across your whining. Preposterous is precisely the notion you reside with.

I've noticed there seems to be an all or nothing attitude with you, though, so maybe logic is wasted upon you. Everything is either perfectly taylored to your opinion, or it's wrong. There is no middle ground, no matter how valid you find someone else's comments deep down inside. I knew this already, but it completely crystalized after your last post on the abortion thread. It's ironic that I have the matrix philosophy, because you're the one that seems to have reality mixed up with your ideal world. You seem to live on this plain of pixie stix and fruit roll ups, where all is perfectly taylored to your liking, and everything works itself out in the end in candy land. Anyone who tries to slap you back down to reality is the enemy, or is an "idiot" for not allowing you to continue to float on your fairy marshmallow (<-- heh. Doesn't that kind of look like an Arabic word?) cloud.

Now pinch yourself. Whoa, the truth never hurt so much, did it your holiness? Damn, mouse. Why'd you have to make this personal?

What else did you expect other than truth or falsity, right or wrong? If something is not true then it is invariably false, and vice versa. If something is not right, then it is wrong. Behold the introduction into objective truths, where there are correct and incorrect views. I know that might be news coming from a post-modernist background of having to constantly swallow nonsense such as "there is no truth". Contrary to your silly attempts at watered down insults using the word "pixie stix", I have not argued for anything "ideal", and in fact the only thing "ideal" is your obsession with your matrix philosophy of "there is no truth" or for that fact, your fallacious leanings of somehow races being "equal". It doesn't get any more "ideal" than that. And no enemies and idiots are only those such as yourself who express illogical, incoherent and nonsensical opinions because they do not comprehend with the given reality. When someone believes reality is a fallacy and "tainted" how else are we to relate to this lost soul? Stop watching Matrix, I understand it's a nice movie with a good philosophy, but it wasn't only post-modernism that they talked about, step away and relax.

As far as "making this personal", it is not, it is only what it is, a discussion, and stop using that incessant "damn the truth hurts", because that would contradict your idiotic stand of "there is no truth". Which is it?

[Sean88John]

Ill date an oTar race, if she is a hottie with a nice body, shes mine.....but i would marry an armenian.....and the way i keep myself from falling in "LOVE" with a girl that is not armenian, is that i keep most of my girl friends as in girls that are friends armenian....soo i dont really mix around with oTar girls......you dig what im sayin

[hyebruin]

Ill date an oTar race, if she is a hottie with a nice body, shes mine.....but i would marry an armenian.....and the way i keep myself from falling in "LOVE" with a girl that is not armenian, is that i keep most of my girl friends as in girls that are friends armenian....soo i dont really mix around with oTar girls......you dig what im sayin

haha this begs to be asked! so how do you keep yourself from NOT falling in "love" with an armenian? which leads to a whole other thread entitled "can guys and girls be friends?"....too complicated for me!

[HyeJinx1984]

Ill date an oTar race, if she is a hottie with a nice body, shes mine.....but i would marry an armenian.....and the way i keep myself from falling in "LOVE" with a girl that is not armenian, is that i keep most of my girl friends as in girls that are friends armenian....soo i dont really mix around with oTar girls......you dig what im sayin

In my case, I really felt like I was in love with the girl I was dating... and for about a year and a half everything was fine in lala land... but I don't know, as an Armenian you just don't feel right. Love is the most important thing in the world, no question about it... just you have to decide, do you love this person whoyou've known for a year and a half or your culture that's been around for several thousand years? My choice was pretty easily made... only problem is now I'm single and lonely Oh, I'm surrounded by plenty of girls, but noooooooooooooo *waves hands around* they just want to be frieeeeeeeeends, whaa, whaa, whaa....

[Anonymouse]

Ill date an oTar race, if she is a hottie with a nice body, shes mine.....but i would marry an armenian.....and the way i keep myself from falling in "LOVE" with a girl that is not armenian, is that i keep most of my girl friends as in girls that are friends armenian....soo i dont really mix around with oTar girls......you dig what im sayin

Please go jump off a cliff.

[anileve]

Meanwhile the brunt of this post is simply hogwash, and I'm surprised at some of the apathy displayed by the Armenians here. If you don't like to preserve your heritage or culture, why do you even bother with calling yourself such? Simply leave, change your name, change your ways, since Armenians seems to be really good at it. In all honesty, Armenians like that are better off not calling themselves such. I'd rather contribute such people to the genotypes of others as opposed to my own.

It's really sad that you are so young and yet so fixated on labels, yet you live by a belief that you "think outside the box". And for your information your nationality does not define you, the content of your character does.

[Anonymouse]

It's really sad that you are so young and yet so fixated on labels, yet you live by a belief that you "think outside the box". And for your information your nationality does not define you, the content of your character does.

Wow, such wisdom from the enlightened people. Where does your "character" come from? I've already said "nationality" is a political label, since someone from Cuba, whether white or black is "Cuban". That wasn't the point. Otherwise we would spare such things as "Armenians do not like unity and have always had envy toward each other", or that "Jews are cheap". Oh please, I never said "think outside the box", such people are always those who are too into themselves and their "unique" world views of how they alone are possessors of wisdom while everyone else is a victim of deception toiling the fields of misanthropy. I guess I'm not thinking too much outside of the box by your standards, which is healthy criticism, and I'll try to take that into account next time.

[HyeJinx1984]

They both define you and are part of your identity.