Armenian men-cheaters or faithful?

[Archetype8]

Like all conversations, I am very polite until someone says something totally out of line be it indirectly or not, I will never let others be rude and inconsiderate towards me, especially when I am not towards them.

[Crimson Glow]

Your attempted efforts should be focused on comprehending as to WHY that occurs to prevent it from occurring once again in the future. But displaying this rubbish that unfortunately exists among our people to simply point little fingers IS NOT going to resolve the issue in fact it will just add more to the fire and chaos because now other racists have some more material to discriminate on Armenians with.

Oh I already know why. Humans are control freaks, difference being men have the physical advantage and capability to enforce their will for control better. Speaking about it may not resolve the issue, but it stands a HELL of a lot better chance than ignoring it. Only when we face the problem, and discuss how changes can be made, is there a chance that any positive outcome will occur. This is why I said the married women need to wise up and not stand for this. In a way, it's their fault that it has gotten this far out of hand. They have the power to end this if they want to, but elect not to use that power.

If you or that Cannuck knew anything they would know that we come from a conservative Christian background thereby forbidding such acts as "cheating" to be tolerated.

Don't be silly, Ryan. Let's not drag religion into this. Being "Christian" has nothing to do with how people behave, in case you haven't noticed. I remember, in spite of how thoughtlessly he defied everything Christian, my dad would go raging mad whenever I mentioned I'm not so sure a god exists. Here is a man that saw nothing wrong with literally knocking his wife's teeth out, but OH NO! You did NOT just say you don't believe in GOD!?!? Most religious types are pretty hypocritical (Armenian, or otherwise). They think as long as you go to church, all is forgiven and forgotten by god, and so the cycle of behaving however you like, and then having the slate wiped clean every Sunday continues, as if god is some sort of blind moron that doesn't see your actions outside of church, or relizes the intentions of your plan. Being Christian doesn't necessarily dictate a person's behavior, so religious background doesn't support your point of view in this discussion. If this were the case, being as "religious" as we are, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.

[Archetype8]

Oh I already know why. Humans are control freaks, difference being men have the physical advantage and capability to enforce their will for control better. Speaking about it may not resolve the issue, but it stands a HELL of a lot better chance than ignoring it. Only when we face the problem, and discuss how changes can be made, is there a chance that any positive outcome will occur. This is why I said the married women need to wise up and not stand for this. In a way, it's their fault that it has gotten this far out of hand. They have the power to end this if they want to, but elect not to use that power.



Don't be silly, Ryan. Let's not drag religion into this. Being "Christian" has nothing to do with how people behave, in case you haven't noticed. I remember, in spite of how thoughtlessly he defied everything Christian, my dad would go raging mad whenever I mentioned I'm not so sure a god exists. Here is a man that saw nothing wrong with literally knocking his wife's teeth out, but OH NO! You did NOT just say you don't believe in GOD!?!? Most religious types are pretty hypocritical (Armenian, or otherwise). They think as long as you go to church, all is forgiven and forgotten by god, and so the cycle of behaving however you like, and then having the slate wiped clean every Sunday continues, as if god is some sort of blind moron that doesn't see your actions outside of church, or relizes the intentions of your plan. Being Christian doesn't necessarily dictate a person's behavior, so religious background doesn't support your point of view in this discussion. If this were the case, being as "religious" as we are, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.

No no all of this stems from religion. It is because of the religion (christianity) that Armenians formed these ideals and acted upon them as they do now. Religion has a major impact upon culture and thus shapes and forms their behavioral patterns but not all stick to it. That is due to that excessive hedonism that exists among our culture. You cannot argue this without including an iota of religion since the foundation of all of these ideals was validated and founded upon religion. I am not going to get into the discussion of religion but if you knew anything I said before, you would acknowledge the founding elements that "cheating is wrong" derives from. It is wrong because why? Christianity says so and Christianity= religion. Anyone following any form of law or rule is being dictated therefore you can exclude that piece of your argument.

[Archetype8]

You are following rules regardless therefore you cannot just say "it has nothing to do with it" when it clearly does. They received the teachings through religion first then acted upon it. But these ideals these people follow are just not the same ones taught from a religious view.

[Anonymouse]

Don't be silly, Ryan. Let's not drag religion into this. Being "Christian" has nothing to do with how people behave, in case you haven't noticed. I remember, in spite of how thoughtlessly he defied everything Christian, my dad would go raging mad whenever I mentioned I'm not so sure a god exists. Here is a man that saw nothing wrong with literally knocking his wife's teeth out, but OH NO! You did NOT just say you don't believe in GOD!?!? Most religious types are pretty hypocritical (Armenian, or otherwise). They think as long as you go to church, all is forgiven and forgotten by god, and so the cycle of behaving however you like, and then having the slate wiped clean every Sunday continues, as if god is some sort of blind moron that doesn't see your actions outside of church, or relizes the intentions of your plan. Being Christian doesn't necessarily dictate a person's behavior, so religious background doesn't support your point of view in this discussion. If this were the case, being as "religious" as we are, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.

I am always amazed at the wisdom that comes from the non-religious type. Of course religion has everything to do with how people behave, and it is the whole essence of religion, otherwise we would not teach it, or follow it, or have it, for the purpose of all religion, it's endpoint, is an ethic, which tries to teach humility to man. Everyone is hypocrtical since everyone is human and imperfect, that is not grounds to stop being religious. Those that do not follow the wisdom it teaches, are hypocrites and not religious, and you somehow try to paint religious types as hypocritical while ignoring that humanity as a whole, being imperfect, is hypocritical, but the wisest always tries to correct himself and question himself, before trying to make value judgements on others.

Such silly claims of "they think that by going to church all is forgiven and forgotten by god" have no bearing upon anyone except maybe a marginal few, since you are trying to be psychic. Those that do not want to follow religious wisdom, have no need to go to Church. Why should they bother when they know their actions are counter to what religion teaches? It is far easier to give in to sins than to work on yourself. How many people do you truly know who are religous and behave that way since all you do is bring up nonsensical "personal experiences", by which we can prove everything and anything, also prove nothing? You just prove that that is another stereotype you thoughtlessly repeat because it is convenient to do so.

[Anonymouse]

You are following rules regardless therefore you cannot just say "it has nothing to do with it" when it clearly does. They received the teachings through religion first then acted upon it. But these ideals these people follow are just not the same ones taught from a religious view.

Indeed, those that are not religious and proud, yet try to paint themselves as holier and less hypocritical and more moral than religous types are in fact themselves, following laws set by religion, for trust, faithfullness, honesty, are things that were only taught by religion, as they say of those ideals - divinely inspired.

[Archetype8]

I am a Christian but yet I do not go to church. No where in the Bible does it say specifically "go to a church" for they are now Catholic bordellos and Armenian gambling casinos ON THURSDAY NIGHTS 7-9 p.m. as they proudly pented it on their church doors, confined with the finest colors L.A. can offer. He simply HEARD half-truths is trying to use that as a way of guarding his arguments.

[Archetype8]

Indeed, those that are not religious and proud, yet try to paint themselves as holier and less hypocritical and more moral than religous types are in fact themselves, following laws set by religion, for trust, faithfullness, honesty, are things that were only taught by religion, as they say of those ideals - divinely inspired.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Those that are claiming "atheism" are the biggest hypocrites of all since they hold dear to "not following any rules" policy when they really are very much following a set of rules. We all are following a certain standard and "religious" people happen to follow the Church's dogma but at least they do not CLAIM to be "less hypocritical" than the average Atheist.

[Crimson Glow]

It is because of the religion (christianity) that Armenians formed these ideals and acted upon them as they do now. Religion has a major impact upon culture and thus shapes and forms their behavioral patterns but not all stick to it. That is due to that excessive hedonism that exists among our culture.

But....you just shot that argument in the foot, yourself. Wherever it stemed from, and no matter what people's ideals are, their ideals and their actions are in complete conflict, which is why I was saying religion doesn't really hold much value in this discussion. No sh*t it's deemed a major sin, but my point is, as wrong as it's ideally considered, I don't see women speaking up against it. They take more the approach that it sounded like you were taking: Don't bring it up, just let it happen.

Mousy: If you read, I have a tad bit more than just my immediate family experience as evidence that this behavior is pretty common. There's them, my extended family (and you know how extended that gets with Armenians ), almost all of whom live in the So Cal area, and the countless number of people who I've chatted with who have had like issues in their families. I would never base an entire nationality off of just my personal familes issues. You should know me better by now than to presume I would make such an assumption, Mousy.

And your talk of how people have lost their spirituality is only aiding my point, not yours and Ryan's, because that's the whole point I'm trying to make: That being Christian has nothing to do with how moral you are. Weather there are rules to follow or not, weather it doesn't make sense that they don't follow those rules, yet still go to church, it is in fact what's happening to a significant portion of Christians. MANY OF THEM SIMPLY DO NOT GET THE CONCEPT!

Oh, and my personal stance on the existence of a higher being has nothing to do this,so let's not bring that into this discussion.

As for other races using this type of material as ammo for their slandering of out culture, I don't think Mexicans and blacks have any room to talk when it comes to beating their significant others and children.

Damn you guys type to fast

[Archetype8]

I was saying the foundations of their whole even IDEA of acting upon those teachings is religion derived.

WE SEE CHEATING AS WRONG BECAUSE WE WERE TAUGHT THAT AND IT IS THE GIVEN-ACCEPTED STANDARD.

Others like the Pagans of the Caribbean do not see it as "wrong" or much of anything it is as typical as lighting a candle in church. Therefore, all of these ideals stem from religion because it outlined a blue print for us all to follow and start somewhere. You seem to be contradicting your whole argument too rapidly to know it.