Being in love

[hyebruin]

people don't even know these days what kind of forces/expectations influence them...they just do it just because it's expected of them do...relationships, marriage,...etc. and they figure what the heck if anything goes wrong there's always divorce...i agree with crimson on this one...it's called being realistic and it is too bad that reality looks gloomier than we would like it's not all gloom and doom...but still not the rosey pink image most people have...

[IvyLipstick]

Count me out of this one.

[HyeJinx1984]

Love is such an easy attainable concept, I never understood why it's considered so abstract and hard to find and all that other BS people say. I mean, the definition can be subjective, but to me love, in any context, simply means "comlete and utter devotion" now is that a concept you guys find really hard to apply to another human being you care so much about? If so, then I'm surprised... I guess I'm the last of my kind. excuse me as I got have some lunch with my loved ones...

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OO!! Quesadillas! My mom makes the best in the world... haha, an Armenian making Quesadillas better than a mexican...

[fIReBuRntInHeLL]

First of all, I've never been IN love to be bitter about it, or be heartbroken by it. Secondly, the most important thing to YOU in life is to create a family, don't speak for others. And "there's a love for everyone, go out and find it"??? What the hell does that exactly mean? How do you go about "looking" for love? It's not a pair of perfect jeans somewhere in the mall, you can't search for it. That mentality is exactly why people end up with the wrong guy/girl. It either happens, or it doesn't. When you "go out and look for it", more times than not, you end up forcing the situation, which is why most relationships are a facade and end up leading right back to what I stated in my original post. My view is not meant to be pessimism, it's called real life observations. If the conclusions I've drawn from those observations happen to look pessimistic, there's nothing I can do about that.

And you don't know of anyone without a family who is happy?? What are you doing, only talking to Armenians who think it's the end of the world if they don't start a family? I know PLENTY of people who aren't married and don't have kids that couldn't care less. At the same time, I don't know too many people who are married who are *TRULY* happy, not the little act they put on for themselves and you, and the divorce rate speaks volumes to prove this.

Fire, it is people like you who make people like me look pessimistic by blindly going with the status quo mentality. Stop being affraid of annalyzing life, and push the envolope. This is not an issue of being pessimistic, it's a matter of facing problems to make things better in the long run. People need to wake up and smell the bullsh*t for a change, instead of shrouding it with the fabricated scent of roses. Why live in mediocrity if we can alter the commonplace for the better? Positive changes don't occur by ignoring our negative predispositions.



Aaaaaaaand as for you, Mousy. What the hell does my view of the matrix have to do with this conversation? You do not have to agree with my stance on that subject at ALL to share my views on this topic, as well as just about all other topics I've commented on. In fact, my much broader outlook on reality has rarely played into this forum. I know you are fully aware of what I'm talking about in this thread as well as others, weather you admit it or not. Most of what I've commented on has been a matter of annalyzing society, which is not exactly something new. It's called sociology.

And the Matrix doesn't "have me", Mouse. As I've said numerous times before, the movie didn't give me some "new, profound understanding" on life. This was merely my interpretation of the movie because I had this outlook LONG before the movie was ever created. The movie just gave me something to use as a visual for people when I'm trying to explain my outlook, so you need to stop with this silly notion, mmmmmmmkkk?

Ok, If u think the bottom line in this life is the family u bitter hearted freak. Career, being single are all temporary, they can satisfy one person only some period of time, what stays is the family. If it wasnt this way than people wouldnt create the thing called marriage and family. If u think for u that family is not important than dont marry, just live to satisfy your natural needs and dont reproduce, I could care less. I would say that u have some issues with marriage and family, b/c maybe u hadnt the luck to live in such an environment, nothing cant be compared having family. People like you end alone, bitter, miserable and pessimistic. U wish to meet a girl like me, u would be really happy and u wouldnt sound so "kiankits zzvats u katagats". It's no ones fault that u never fall in love, it was your choice!!! Who is really happy when they are single, they have money, they are fukcing around and they have no one to share their "happy" moments. If u can really find someone like that hastat ke shvtsnes u intz ke tsuits tas. Otherwise dont bother to express your miserable views to me.

[Anonymouse]

And what you just handed us is saying something real? First of all, I've never been IN love to be bitter about it, or be heartbroken by it. Secondly, the most important thing to YOU in life is to create a family, don't speak for others. And "there's a love for everyone, go out and find it"??? What the hell does that exactly mean? How do you go about "looking" for love? It's not a pair of perfect jeans somewhere in the mall, you can't search for it. That mentality is exactly why people end up with the wrong guy/girl. It either happens, or it doesn't. When you "go out and look for it", more times than not, you end up forcing the situation, which is why most relationships are a facade and end up leading right back to what I stated in my original post. My view is not meant to be pessimism, it's called real life observations. If the conclusions I've drawn from those observations happen to look pessimistic, there's nothing I can do about that.

And you don't know of anyone without a family who is happy?? What are you doing, only talking to Armenians who think it's the end of the world if they don't start a family? I know PLENTY of people who aren't married and don't have kids that couldn't care less. At the same time, I don't know too many people who are married who are *TRULY* happy, not the little act they put on for themselves and you, and the divorce rate speaks volumes to prove this.

Fire, it is people like you who make people like me look pessimistic by blindly going with the status quo mentality. Stop being affraid of annalyzing life, and push the envolope. This is not an issue of being pessimistic, it's a matter of facing problems to make things better in the long run. People need to wake up and smell the bullsh*t for a change, instead of shrouding it with the fabricated scent of roses. Why live in mediocrity if we can alter the commonplace for the better? Positive changes don't occur by ignoring our negative predispositions.



Aaaaaaaand as for you, Mousy. What the hell does my view of the matrix have to do with this conversation? You do not have to agree with my stance on that subject at ALL to share my views on this topic, as well as just about all other topics I've commented on. In fact, my much broader outlook on reality has rarely played into this forum. I know you are fully aware of what I'm talking about in this thread as well as others, weather you admit it or not. Most of what I've commented on has been a matter of annalyzing society, which is not exactly something new. It's called sociology.

And the Matrix doesn't "have me", Mouse. As I've said numerous times before, the movie didn't give me some "new, profound understanding" on life. This was merely my interpretation of the movie because I had this outlook LONG before the movie was ever created. The movie just gave me something to use as a visual for people when I'm trying to explain my outlook, so you need to stop with this silly notion, mmmmmmmkkk?

Yes, it's called nihilism, and it's not healthy.

[fIReBuRntInHeLL]

Yes, it's called nihilism, and it's not healthy.

It looks more like pessimism, covered with chocolate chip miseries and unhappiness.

[sad_eyes]

Completely false...

This all sounds like a bunch of dog poo to me. If you "love" someone, it has to be a mutual feeling. Meaning, the person must feel the same about you! All love between men and women are artificial....they fade. The only true love that I know is the love felt by parent for a child.

Love amongst two individuals such as a girl and a boy can be like that of a love between a parent and a child. You do not have the right to say otherwise. And besides, there are plenty of parents in this world that have/do beat their children, abuse them in every way possible, there are some (its so sick to even think about) that go as far as killing their children. There are so many forms of love that are false, just as much as there are that are true. One example of true love, which is the highest example, is Jesus. Jesus died on the cross. In my opinion there in no greater act of love than that.

[Crimson Glow]

Yes, it's called nihilism, and it's not healthy.

Oh yes. You're right! CLEARLY, it is the act of being oblivious to your existence by blindly following predetermined patterns, creating the mess of a world we currently live in, which is healthy.

It looks more like pessimism, covered with chocolate chip miseries and unhappiness.

Uhhh.....yeeaaah, about that....

My view is not meant to be pessimism, it's called real life observations. If the conclusions I've drawn from those observations happen to look pessimistic, there's nothing I can do about that.

Please read next time. Do not assume you know a damn thing about me, or create your own interpretations when I've spelled it out for you clearly, in a half way respectful mannar.

People like you end alone, bitter, miserable and pessimistic.

LMAO! As opposed to married, bitter, miserable and pessimistic? "If it wasn't this way than people wouldn't create the thing called divorce and child custody". Bitter? Miserable? You've never met anyone like me, and the way you either ignored or didn't understand my last post shows this, so stop pretending to know or understand anything I say.

U wish to meet a girl like me, u would be really happy and u wouldnt sound so "kiankits zzvats u katagats". It's no ones fault that u never fall in love, it was your choice!!!

Uhhhh....you're kidding me, right? Yet again, you prove you don't understand anything I've said. Let me clearify: If I wanted a girl like you, I would have been married by now! In case you haven't noticed, gullible, simple, and tradition bound girls such as yourself are a dime a dozen. It's my choice I didn't fall in love? Do you ever read what you type out loud?? Since when do you choose who you fall in love with?? On the contrary. The reason I haven't fallen in love is becuase I haven't come across a girl who isn't like you.

Who is really happy when they are single, they have money, they are fukcing around and they have no one to share their "happy" moments. If u can really find someone like that hastat ke shvtsnes u intz ke tsuits tas. Otherwise dont bother to express your miserable views to me.

You're debating with someone who is single and happy right now. I've dated LOTS of girls, and all have turned out to be a waste of time. I don't go around sulking over not having a girlfriend. There are MUCH more important and fascinating things in life to keep me occupied, as opposed to finding someone to procreate with. I don't expect you to understand. You're much to simple minded, or inexperienced, or whatever it is that makes one so scared/incapable of going outside the lines and exploring.

You did nothing in your last post but restate what I had already countered in my last rebuttal. Try not addressing issues that have already been dealt with. And try to grasp the essence of my posts, before you formulate opinions or attacks on me. Otherwise, don't bother to express your naive and credulous views to me.

[Anonymouse]

Oh yes. You're right! CLEARLY, it is the act of being oblivious to your existence by blindly following predetermined patterns, creating the mess of a world we currently live in, which is healthy.

No, it is the belief that you and you alone are some sort of awakened soul that sees through the veil of reality that is all false. You're a nihlist, persuaded by the belief that humans are nothing more than piano keys with no free will, and slaves to "predetermined patterns", yet that belief contradicts your view, for if we are all mindless sheep lost in the haze of our predetermined patterns, how is it that you of all people are able to see the Matrix? Only pessimistic nihilists believe that the world is a mess. And yes, the world is a mess, but that is not the only thing that I see. I also see the beauty, harmony, and goodness.

[Crimson Glow]

Only pessimistic nihilists believe that the world is a mess. And yes, the world is a mess, but that is not the only thing that I see. I also see the beauty, harmony, and goodness.

So does this mean that you're a pessimistic nihilist as well, since you admitt the worlds a mess in the same breath as you claim that only pessimistic nihilists believe this? And again, I don't "believe" in anything. I'm wide open to any concept, idea, or paradigm being right or wrong. I just absorb it all in, form ideas of my own, and leave it at that; an idea, not a belief. There's a difference. I don't concretely believe in anything, not even the Matrix theory.

And did I tell you that the mess of the world is the only thing I see? What is it with so many members on this site attaching characteristics to people that completely contridict what those people write? Did you not read above where I said there's plenty that fascinates me, that preoccupies my time? Am I disappointed in mankind? Yes, of course I am! Very! Only a blind moron wouldn't be. But I never said that that's all I see in this existence, nor did I claim I'm the only one on this plain. I also never said that people don't have free will. They are free to make choices. All I'm saying is that those choices have to be made within a limited selection. To..."unplug"...is to realize that you have more power and possibilities than what we have been told, readily accepted and taken for granted, and to lift those limits. That's all. What you think and feel from there on out is up to you. Is that so far fetched to understand or think is possible? You know, a lot of what you complain about in society is the same as me, like it or not. Reread some of posts we've both been involved in, and you'll see what I mean. The only reason you try to discredit me when I do it (if I haven't sided with you in the argument) is because, while you do it from a religious or moral standpoint, I do it from the view point of a "matrix world", which goes beyond your ideals by posing a threat to religion, as well.

You come off sounding a hell of a lot more pessimistic than me on this forum, with your constant bashing (not me, but everyone) and blind sided belittling of every little thing. It certainly makes you sound more grumpy than someone who preaches "free your mind", so your constant accusations that I'm pessamistic is totally unsubstantiated if you look at my posts from a clear, unbiased, non prejudice mind frame.

Nihilism, the matrix theory, etc don't have to be negative at all. That's just a horrible misconception of people who don't want to deal with pain to achieve emotional, spiritual, or intellectual advancement. If you're going to look at all my posts from this vantage, you'll never fully understand what I'm saying. You've already got it made up in your mind that it's negative before you've even started reading it. What you may find by annylizing society, existence, etc may appear negative, but the reason for going through the painfull process of realizing this, is to create a postive growth effect, to move forward to a new level for mankind that we're ALL capable of, not to dwell on the negative forever.