(Interracial Relationships) Going off on another tangent....

[nunechka]

anony, you can do what ever you please, and so can i, but the reason why i posted this is because people tend to want to force others to limitations, but my argument says that we shouldnt force people to limitations, just look at our past...

Hyejinx, they were OUR tribes is a very general statement, are the iranians our tribes too? do you know if there are any people left in this world who would say they are Anahits? or are the greeks armenians? no we are Armenians we are HAY, and thats all that is left,

and patlajan i think you are right in saying that people didnt travel as much and its not the same as it is today, with all the blacks mexicans, chinese, japanese, etc... in the USA... there were only people who looked exactly like we did and so mixing didnt really look like mixing...

but i think that anony's views are really strict and extremely conservative and so thats why i decided to allow him to remember where WE as Armenians are really from... how come we are still alive? what happend after the genocide? how can there be more then 5 million armenians from just 500 to 700 thousand that was left after the genocide, think about it? put some thought to it...

but thats not all, i guess he is offended by me, even if i say that the sky is blue, he will not believe it... by the way how is this a feminist view? are you crazy or something? i think i have a rather socialist view in this argument and you ANONY have a conservative right wing view... its one thing to want to practice something yourself, but its another to force your beliefs on others...

when i read all the posts for this, i thought to myself, some people in this forum are really bright and wow they are very open minded, and are not offended by others views, and then i read your points, and it was completely in contrary to what others would say, even if others believed that they would never want to marry outside their culture, they still woudl say that thing at the end which made them a human being, they would say "but i think that peopple can do what ever they want, and i dont think its wrong i just that i cant do it myself" so the difference between them and you anony is that you are INTOLARANT of others, and how they see things... much like HITLER was...

thanks for your nice comments everyone and this thread has got to be the longest one its 19 pages long as i see it now...

[Anonymouse]

anony, you can do what ever you please, and so can i, but the reason why i posted this is because people tend to want to force others to limitations, but my argument says that we shouldnt force people to limitations, just look at our past...

Don't act like a perennial victim. No one is forcing you to live in any way you do not please. I certainly am not. Stop acting like you are a victim. It's not becoming. What I am doing is trying to give the full cup of thought to the thirsty lips of men and filter the bacteria in between.

but i think that anony's views are really strict and extremely conservative and so thats why i decided to allow him to remember where WE as Armenians are really from... how come we are still alive? what happend after the genocide? how can there be more then 5 million armenians from just 500 to 700 thousand that was left after the genocide, think about it? put some thought to it...

I know where Armenians come from, you do not need to tell me. Quoting a bunch of names of tribes and trying to weave magic with words and create a synthesis using your fantasies does not pass for you knowing where Armenians come from, nor their history. Maybe you yourself should remember where Armenians not only came from, but what they experienced in the process.

but thats not all, i guess he is offended by me, even if i say that the sky is blue, he will not believe it... by the way how is this a feminist view? are you crazy or something? i think i have a rather socialist view in this argument and you ANONY have a conservative right wing view... its one thing to want to practice something yourself, but its another to force your beliefs on others...

I am not offended by you, don't be so much in love with yourself. You are not the first person to prompt me to respond in the ways I have responded, nor will you be the last. But your love for yourself and your opinions doesn't end there. Once again, you act like I am forcing you to live in a certain way, which I am not, but if you believe that, you are the crazy one.

when i read all the posts for this, i thought to myself, some people in this forum are really bright and wow they are very open minded, and are not offended by others views, and then i read your points, and it was completely in contrary to what others would say, even if others believed that they would never want to marry outside their culture, they still woudl say that thing at the end which made them a human being, they would say "but i think that peopple can do what ever they want, and i dont think its wrong i just that i cant do it myself" so the difference between them and you anony is that you are INTOLARANT of others, and how they see things... much like HITLER was...

I'm not offended by words, I am offended by stupidity and ignorance. Everyone is intolerant about something, do not for one second try to paint yourself as being holier than thou. I am intolerant of stupidity and ignorance, and you are intolerant of intolerant people, thus making you, no more and no less intolerant than I. The rest of your jargon makes no sense.

[HyeJinx1984]

damn............. talk about expounding.

[Anonymouse]

Sometimes it is needed, especially when you have extreme cases like this where someone resides only with fantasies of what she would like the world to be like, as opposed to what it is.

[HyeJinx1984]

Don't worry, you expounded the hell out of her. She won't be able to walk for days after that. Dayem.

[Anonymouse]

Don't worry, you expounded the hell out of her. She won't be able to walk for days after that. Dayem.

Most likely she will respond with 10 more paragraphs of opinionated stuff about her and how tolerant she is.

[nunechka]

anony, appearantly you read everything i wrote very correctly beacuse you agree with it all, sicne you quote me then repeat what i said and say that i didnt say it that you said it...

i am jealous that you took a class with him, and i would love to have his signiture in my books, i have great respect for him and i just forgot his last name beacuse i also read his books a LONG time ago, and i have read other great books on history, but if you notice that the pattern of history is based on the people who WON the wars, then you can make your own critical analysis of what is written as "fact". now that is scholarary thinking, not taking everything at face value, and making your own critical analysis... i never said that i dont agree with great scholar, as a matter of fact i ONLY repeat what they have said themselves...

you are trying to make it sound like being egalitarian is bad, or that being a feminist is bad... please, now that is pathetic... because it would be like saying "you dont really want the sun to shine, do you?, NO WAY" but in reality we all do want the sun to shine, but when you use it in that context is sounds like no one should ever want the sun to shine.... being egalitarian is a very good thing, because it shows the progression of a society toward a more peaceful state, and being a feminist is like saying you beleive in equal opportunity and equal rights, and equality in human treatment. so i am an egalitarian, and i am a feminist, and i belive we should all strive to treat each other equally and believe in progress such as science and so on. so yes i am an egalitarian feminist, and if you are not maybe you should be ashamed of yourself... and i do love it when the sun shines, and just beucase you are using a set of words in a negative way, does not mean that the words have a negative meaning...

and i did not get how anony has expounded me? because he only took what i wrote, then wrote that he doesnt agree with me, but then wrote things that repeated what i had originally said. for example, he wrote that i said that society makes culture, then he wrote no no, people make culture, well what is a society? a group of people you moron... a group of people decide on what to do and what their traditions are, etc...

then he quoted me in the genetics argument, he said he doesnt agree with me, then he wrote that how come people who live in the west have similar culture, are you crazy anon jan, because my point was the same thing, i said that how come the greeks and armenians are so much alike, well mr. all the western cultures, live finda close to each other and so they adopt or mix in their cultures. so we agree that people with different cultures who live close to each other have similar traditions, but i guess we dont agree on something, but i dont know what...

and so on ladies and gentlemen...

so i guess you are right, which makes me right and which makes your rehtoric senceless, since we agree on my argument. like i said before, you will probably not agree with me if i said that the sky is blue, you'll quote me and then you'll say no nunechka the sky IS blue... and i know that some people may not agree to this because anony is so passionate about it... it almost makes me feel the same way, but then i read his comments and i read mine, and the conclusion is the same... the point is the same... the idea is the same... the bottom line is the same...

genetics isnt about how we look anony? of course it is... thats the only that genetics is... it has been proven that genetics is about only how our bodies are structured... so all the armenian women have bigger butts then all the russian women... i dont know why? but they do... all the things we see are inherent in our family line and if genetics didnt prove that then maybe you would've come out looking black...

the armenian big nose isnt just the armenian big nose, the greeks have their own jokes about the greek big nose, the italians have their own jokes about their own big nose... if you ask them they'll tell you it is a greek genetics trait...

so that is GENETICS! plain and simple, it is actually very complicated by nature, but the conclusion leads only to one thing, APPEARANCE! and if certain cultures just happen to look alike and oops they just happen to live really close to each other, that says something, it says that they have been intermarrying each other... also the oriental people, now that is the best example because they are very distinct from others... notice how those people in the "oriental" culture look all alike, but they say that they are SOOOOOOOOOO different, and they never intermarry... well thats obvious BS because they all looks so much alike its crazy to look at a chinese persons face and say so your ancestors in any form or way ever mixed with the koreans? or japanese? or vietamese? it is soooooooooo obvious that you anony are not that blind to see that plain and simple facts...

i loved the claim that americans used to make about genetics that is still around in the southern states which is that black people are just dumb because they are black and so they proved by "genetics" that black people inherently are dumb, then it was about the jews, that jews are inherently evil because of their genetics, then it was the japanese (WW2) that they are inherently FACIST because of genetics... and it goes on and on... come on people wake up and smell the critical analysis for your self... are black peopple inherently dumb beacuse of genetics? are jews inherently evil because of genetics? i dont know but some armenians look pretty jewish to me... are they inherently evil? no so this slipper slope argument of genetics is the make up of culture is absolotely flaud and it has been provn flaud by so many people...

or i dont know if many people remember the genetics argument against women... it said that women are genetically weaker, and that the male body is the ideal body to have... then in the last 25 years it was proven that women have a more adaptable genetic structure, for example if we go to a cold place we start to produce heat faster, and we cool off quicker, and we heal faster... it has been proven by so many studies that if a man and a woman are infected by the same common cold, that a woman will get better faster, will probably build up an immunse system much more dominant then a man... but women are weaker then men in the physical attributes of muscular structure, but that has nothing to do with the fact that women live longer... and this is just very recent studies...
so that is the other flaud genetics argument... i love it myself, its my favorite one... see hitler invented the jews are evil genetics argument, and macho men like anony invented the women are inheretly weaker genetics argument, and they have all been proven wrong...

there is one more female male genetics argument and it is about the brain... i LOVE THIS ONE the best actually... they used to say that women are slower at thinking and react much slower to situations and problems... but then they inveted such great things as SCIENCE! and so they conducted genetic studies to show how a man and a woman react, which chemicals are released and how fast does it take a man to answer a question vs. a woman... guess what ladies... it is now FACT! that women have always had smaller brains that have more nerves connecting the 2 hemistpheres of the brain and this way, they can think logically and analytically without having to stop and think for a long time... have you noticed how your mother can talk on the phone answer your question, cook and watch a TV show all at the same time? WOW! yes its true... women are actually better fit for the fast pace multi tasking working world of the day...

but hey that doesnt mean that men didnt invent all these great things, it just means that since women were never given the chance to study and go to school and become something, and think on their own... and only men got that opportunity...

while einstien was sitting under a tree coming up with e = mc (squared) his sister/female cousin was probably cooking or cleaning something...

so i think that people put too much enphasis on genetics, i say lets see how anyone would survive in the same situation as me or you... but we are all different that is a good thing, and thats why we have all these great thing that we take for granted, like this internet... if the person that invented this wasnt given the chance to go to school would they have inveted it? nope...

anywho, armenians and interracial marriages, we are not living in a different world, with much deeper SAHMANER, it is very defined, on what "race" you are, and very distinct what culture you are... and so we are not dealing with the same things anymore, but i dont think that saying, "NO we shouldnt, it keeps us pure" is the right way to go about it...

new challenges should bring up new ways to get over these challegnes, bc maybe the old way wont fix this new problem...

i guess the only flaw i see in any racial arguments is that the genetics and purity argument, and so i tried my best to tell you what some critical thinking can do... so remember dont believe me, go look it up yourself and read it yourself...

anony i really like you and i think you are pretty good at arguing... this makes us very unique...

[nunechka]

your good anony, your psycic predictions worked, have you been calling the ms. cleo line? or are you just that smart?

[Anonymouse]

i am jealous that you took a class with him, and i would love to have his signiture in my books, i have great respect for him and i just forgot his last name beacuse i also read his books a LONG time ago, and i have read other great books on history, but if you notice that the pattern of history is based on the people who WON the wars, then you can make your own critical analysis of what is written as "fact". now that is scholarary thinking, not taking everything at face value, and making your own critical analysis... i never said that i dont agree with great scholar, as a matter of fact i ONLY repeat what they have said themselves...

You go off on endless rants that have nothing whatsover to do either with the topic at hand, or reality. Nevermind the horrible grammar and incoherent sentences that I ignore. There are so many blunders in one paragraph, and my inability to count them is like pure terror coursing through my veins like a river of gravy. This isn't about who "won wars", or who published your highschool text book. These are general patterns of history that one can only observe, either come to accept them, or live in denial.

you are trying to make it sound like being egalitarian is bad, or that being a feminist is bad... please, now that is pathetic... because it would be like saying "you dont really want the sun to shine, do you?, NO WAY" but in reality we all do want the sun to shine, but when you use it in that context is sounds like no one should ever want the sun to shine.... being egalitarian is a very good thing, because it shows the progression of a society toward a more peaceful state, and being a feminist is like saying you beleive in equal opportunity and equal rights, and equality in human treatment. so i am an egalitarian, and i am a feminist, and i belive we should all strive to treat each other equally and believe in progress such as science and so on. so yes i am an egalitarian feminist, and if you are not maybe you should be ashamed of yourself... and i do love it when the sun shines, and just beucase you are using a set of words in a negative way, does not mean that the words have a negative meaning...

Pathetic is exactly the blind faith in such nonsense ideologies. Egalitarianism, or equality, is non existent. What were you, one of those girls into Hello Kitty? There is nothing in nature that is equal, nor will it ever be, unless everyone was a uniform automaton. Any ideology that has its premise the equality of something, be it Marxian socialism or Betty Freidan feminism, is also fallacious. It means there are inequalities between classes, between races, and between sexes, which means some are superior over others, and yes I know the truth really infuriates some people. You do not have to like it, but you do not have to make the thread go off topic either. Make another thread titled "Nunechka News Bites", and we can discuss all things Nunechka, all the time.

and i did not get how anony has expounded me? because he only took what i wrote, then wrote that he doesnt agree with me, but then wrote things that repeated what i had originally said. for example, he wrote that i said that society makes culture, then he wrote no no, people make culture, well what is a society? a group of people you moron... a group of people decide on what to do and what their traditions are, etc...

I did not take what you wrote and repeat them. That would be stupid. I only showed the idiocy behind what you wrote. As far as people making culture, yet again, you missed the point, and you call me the idiot. How profound.

then he quoted me in the genetics argument, he said he doesnt agree with me, then he wrote that how come people who live in the west have similar culture, are you crazy anon jan, because my point was the same thing, i said that how come the greeks and armenians are so much alike, well mr. all the western cultures, live finda close to each other and so they adopt or mix in their cultures. so we agree that people with different cultures who live close to each other have similar traditions, but i guess we dont agree on something, but i dont know what...

Apparently you do not pay attention very well either. However, whereas I said the cultures in the west are similar, I also said it is because of the peoples races why their cultures are the same, and as an example ( and this is the billionth time I am repeating this ), I offered comparisons. People of Asian and Mongoloid ancestry from the Orient are more similar to each other genetically, and culturally, than people in the West, who in turn are more similar to each other culturally, and genetically. As further eye boggling evidence I pointed to the different alphabetical styles and architectures to further validate my point. You apparently do not understand English very well, which is a forgiveble offense.

genetics isnt about how we look anony? of course it is... thats the only that genetics is... it has been proven that genetics is about only how our bodies are structured... so all the armenian women have bigger butts then all the russian women... i dont know why? but they do... all the things we see are inherent in our family line and if genetics didnt prove that then maybe you would've come out looking black...

Genetics is how we look at it? How can something as concrete as genetics mean something other than what it is?

so that is GENETICS! plain and simple, it is actually very complicated by nature, but the conclusion leads only to one thing, APPEARANCE! and if certain cultures just happen to look alike and oops they just happen to live really close to each other, that says something, it says that they have been intermarrying each other... also the oriental people, now that is the best example because they are very distinct from others... notice how those people in the "oriental" culture look all alike, but they say that they are SOOOOOOOOOO different, and they never intermarry... well thats obvious BS because they all looks so much alike its crazy to look at a chinese persons face and say so your ancestors in any form or way ever mixed with the koreans? or japanese? or vietamese? it is soooooooooo obvious that you anony are not that blind to see that plain and simple facts...

Genetics determines more than appearance, it is the wheel of who we are. It determines human achievement, human failure, temperament and culture. All race is, is genetics applied to the breeds of human populations. And since culture is a product of race, therefore, culture is inexorably tied to genes. Culture is a veneer reflecting the genetic make up of different peoples. Appealing to your ignorance does not make you any more versed in genetics, than Smokey Bear doing the same.

i loved the claim that americans used to make about genetics that is still around in the southern states which is that black people are just dumb because they are black and so they proved by "genetics" that black people inherently are dumb, then it was about the jews, that jews are inherently evil because of their genetics, then it was the japanese (WW2) that they are inherently FACIST because of genetics... and it goes on and on... come on people wake up and smell the critical analysis for your self... are black peopple inherently dumb beacuse of genetics? are jews inherently evil because of genetics? i dont know but some armenians look pretty jewish to me... are they inherently evil? no so this slipper slope argument of genetics is the make up of culture is absolotely flaud and it has been provn flaud by so many people...

This is yet another paragraph of unsubstantiated bromide. How dare someone expose egalitarianism for the fraud that it is. When truth awakens from the hibernation of propaganda, it surely makes many people, such as you, uncomfortable, because if truth be known, it would mean that some people are superior to others, and others are inferior. What a world in which we cannot state objectively what things are? Why the euphemisms? Why the need for political correction? If blacks are so equal, why must genetic evidence to the contrary be suppressed and why must biased studies be passed off as "official"? You dont seem the type that asks alot of questions, despite how you rant endlessly about "questioning". Did you know that Jews and Asians constantly score considerably higher on IQ tests than Whites and Blacks and Mexicans? Did you also know that Whites score higher than Blacks? Wow, I bet that's a real shocker. I apologize for telling you such things, I know there is a prism in your mind that must be maintained at all times by fallacies. I guess I have obscene and rude habits that do not take into consideration peoples circumstances.

or i dont know if many people remember the genetics argument against women... it said that women are genetically weaker, and that the male body is the ideal body to have... then in the last 25 years it was proven that women have a more adaptable genetic structure, for example if we go to a cold place we start to produce heat faster, and we cool off quicker, and we heal faster... it has been proven by so many studies that if a man and a woman are infected by the same common cold, that a woman will get better faster, will probably build up an immunse system much more dominant then a man... but women are weaker then men in the physical attributes of muscular structure, but that has nothing to do with the fact that women live longer... and this is just very recent studies...
so that is the other flaud genetics argument... i love it myself, its my favorite one... see hitler invented the jews are evil genetics argument, and macho men like anony invented the women are inheretly weaker genetics argument, and they have all been proven wrong...

This is basically a good script for a Hollywood liberal trash movie. You can title it "Steel Nunechkas", a small variation from Steel Magnolias.

there is one more female male genetics argument and it is about the brain... i LOVE THIS ONE the best actually... they used to say that women are slower at thinking and react much slower to situations and problems... but then they inveted such great things as SCIENCE! and so they conducted genetic studies to show how a man and a woman react, which chemicals are released and how fast does it take a man to answer a question vs. a woman... guess what ladies... it is now FACT! that women have always had smaller brains that have more nerves connecting the 2 hemistpheres of the brain and this way, they can think logically and analytically without having to stop and think for a long time... have you noticed how your mother can talk on the phone answer your question, cook and watch a TV show all at the same time? WOW! yes its true... women are actually better fit for the fast pace multi tasking working world of the day...

but hey that doesnt mean that men didnt invent all these great things, it just means that since women were never given the chance to study and go to school and become something, and think on their own... and only men got that opportunity...

If you think that's something you love, you'll love this one. Did you know that on average men have higher IQs than women? WOAH! Did you also know that almost all of the inventions and ideas have come from men and not women? Usually, women are horrified when I say this, because they like to believe in that equality myth, and they say that men oppressed them, so that is why women were not allowed to give their full potential. But this argument is weak, for if we go back far enough to the beginning, when neither sex had a head start, why is it that men outperformed and surpassed women? Woow, I wonder why? Feminism is utterly useless when it comes to dealing with reality. Your whole argument, writing style, and beliefs are as cliche as dried honey on a tree.

while einstien was sitting under a tree coming up with e = mc (squared) his sister/female cousin was probably cooking or cleaning something...

Did you know that Einstein wasn't the first to come up with that equation? No, I bet you didn't.

so i think that people put too much enphasis on genetics, i say lets see how anyone would survive in the same situation as me or you... but we are all different that is a good thing, and thats why we have all these great thing that we take for granted, like this internet... if the person that invented this wasnt given the chance to go to school would they have inveted it? nope...

I don't think people put enough emphasis on genetics. I'm sure you wouldn't wanna marry a "African American" ( I have to be politically correct ) retard midget with downs syndrome, now, would you?

anywho, armenians and interracial marriages, we are not living in a different world, with much deeper SAHMANER, it is very defined, on what "race" you are, and very distinct what culture you are... and so we are not dealing with the same things anymore, but i dont think that saying, "NO we shouldnt, it keeps us pure" is the right way to go about it...

Maybe if I took your advice and contacted Ms Cleo or some other psychic network they would help me understand what you meant with this abominable paragraph.

i guess the only flaw i see in any racial arguments is that the genetics and purity argument, and so i tried my best to tell you what some critical thinking can do... so remember dont believe me, go look it up yourself and read it yourself...

There is no flaw. Truth is usually the opposite of what the masses and majority believe. Thus if the majority of the masses believe in egalitarian fiction and collective fraud, State worship, and diversity bliss, you can bet that truth is far from what the masses adhere to. You are a product of social engineering.

anony i really like you and i think you are pretty good at arguing... this makes us very unique...

I'm not unique, because unlike you I'm not in love with myself. I couldn't give a glazed donut hole for being unique. Neither am I good at arguing. I simply state things as they are. If other people did that too, they would be better than Columbo and Matlock combined. By the way, Columbo was a favorite show of mine.

[nunechka]

quote from anony "If you think that's something you love, you'll love this one. Did you know that on average men have higher IQs than women? WOAH! Did you also know that almost all of the inventions and ideas have come from men and not women? Usually, women are horrified when I say this, because they like to believe in that equality myth, and they say that men oppressed them, so that is why women were not allowed to give their full potential. But this argument is weak, for if we go back far enough to the beginning, when neither sex had a head start, why is it that men outperformed and surpassed women? Woow, I wonder why? Feminism is utterly useless when it comes to dealing with reality. Your whole argument, writing style, and beliefs are as cliche as dried honey on a tree."

i was never into hello kitty i was excepted into the early entrance program when i was 14 and was in classes with 22 year olds i have recieved 2 degrees and, have been known to be "metsatsats pokratsats"... i knew what i wanted to study when i was 12 and i knew that i must get my doctoral when i was 16... so please stop lecturing to me... i have not played with toys since i was 12, i have read and am more then endulged in sociology and anthropological studies, however i did not major in those since i was smart enough to know that i wouldnt make money out it... i am a capitalist business woman...

you dont know what you are talking about... the studies about IQ have been proven nonsense ever since the 80s, and so no one gives a crap about those, since they dont test anything at all...

you are right about the inventions of men, no doubt about that, i have never disagreed with facts... but you forget that history is written by the dominant one, and so critial thought allows for the conclusion that maybe, just maybe when in those dark ages when the only thing that won any social agrument was actual physical strength, then you can easily come to the conclusion that between the physically strong and the physically weak people, the physically stronger gender won the war...

but now-a-days physical strength isnt as important as education, and since now education isnt just for men, which is what it was for, now there are CEOs who are women, women have invented many other things, or they have upgraded and updated so many things that men supposebly thoguht of... you are so funny, you believe that there was a head start, i dont believe that at all... i think that as evolution occured that every situation asked for a different solution, like hunters and gatheres, or horticulture, or industrial societies, or now-a-days which is known as "information" so for hunting, women were not physically strong enough to do it... gathering well thats all they did, they were gardners and they mostly were respondible for raising their childern... horticulture is raising farm animals and women did this as efficiently as men, but then came the industrial time, and this was different because this ment, moving out of your city, going to work without any supervision from your parents, and only men were allowed to do this, and etc...

and yes men did not allow for women to do this... come on you are living in the dark if you think that men didnt supress women... in the airforce in the 20s men used to have drawings of half naked or just naked women on their airplanes, they used to have playboy as office magazines in offices, but when women were allowed to go to school and maybe they were motivated to become piolets, those drawings disappeared... WOW? how? is it a good idea to draw naked women on airplanes? NO! it is disgraceful... i am offended, why didnt they draw men? would women have drawn men, NO! they would not have drawn men, not because we are prude, but because it does not interest us, women now have the same opportunities, but i dont see a lot of sexual harrasment from women to men, men have always degraded women, and if it wasnt for any womans movements, it would be the same way now, and all you girls in colleges right now, WOULD NOT BE IN COLLEGE, you would be married off...

think before you talk...

"dried honey on a tree?" i cant even think of what that could look like...

and i also like matlock and colombo and i used to watch them too along with star treck the next generation...