What about divorced people?

[Anonymouse]

Re: What about divorced people?

do you think less of them?

Yes.

My parents came really close to divorce. I know first hand what it is when the family breaks down.

The point is, if you're at that point, regardless of whether or not you have the "divorce" legally, you still failed, someway and somehow.

[Anonymouse]

Re: What about divorced people?

In my opinion, the mere fact that someone was married in the past is somewhat irrelevant. The details of, and reasons for the divorce, might be more telling.

I would hope that people would pay more attention to the character of a person, rather than simply if he/she is a parent and/or divorced. Angelina Jolie, for example, is a single mom and has been divorced, twice. One of her adopted children was orphaned by AIDS. She is also a Goodwill Ambassador for the United Nations High Commission for Refugees. She donates millions of dollars to charity.

For some strange reason, I just can’t picture many men (if given an opportunity to date Angelina) thinking, “Oh no! She’s a divorced, single mom. I should stay away from her.”

Anyone who looks at Hollywood "celebs" as role models, much less Angelina Jolie is shallow. As far as I'm concerned, the cocaine-sniffing, divorce-hungry Hollywood "lifestyle" is the last area I'd look for people as "role models". And screw Angelina Jolie too, she's way too overrated and lately, she hasn't looked all that great either. Hollywood and its "lifestyle" is as ephemeral as the people that make it up.

Judging someone based on being divorced is nothing bad or wrong. You are forming an idea of what sort of person they are. Angelina has two divorces, that means that she does not know how to make relationships last. That means she is very selfish, very unreliable and cannot be trusted to hold on to a long lasting relationship. Why be in a relationship or get married to someone who has had nothing but a streak of divorces? You're asking for it yourself. But then again, that is why she is a "celebrity". How many Hollywood "celebrities" can we point to that have had one and only one marriage? Oh, and I don't care for her 'humanitarian' work. It's just another way for celebrities' self-importance to put them on the map.

[Sip]

Re: What about divorced people?

omg omg u just stereotyped

[Anonymouse]

Re: What about divorced people?

omg omg u just stereotyped

Oh the horror! I never knew!

[Anahita]

Re: What about divorced people?

Anyone who looks at Hollywood "celebs" as role models, much less Angelina Jolie is shallow.

Swooooosh...
*watched as that flew over head*


--Rollergirl, Dire Straits
And a rock n roll dream
She’s making movies on location
She don’t know what it means

the story was whatever was the song, what it was
Rollergirl don’t worry
DJ play the movies all night long


--God is a DJ, Faithless
This is my church…
For tonight
God is a DJ

--Run around, Blues Traveler
Like a game show contestant with a parting gift
I could not believe my eyes…

And as we seek so shall we find
And when you’re feeling open I’ll still be here
But not without a certain degree of fear
Of what will be with you and me
I still can see things hopefully

Like a nervous magician waiting in the wings
Of a bad play where the heroes are right
And nobody thinks or expects too much
And Hollywood’s calling for the movie rights
Singing hey babe let’s keep in touch

But I know no matter what the waitress brings
I shall drink in and always be full
My cup shall always be full



--Piano Man, Billy Joel
He says, "Bill, I believe this is killing me."
As the smile ran away from his face
"Well I'm sure that I could be a movie star
If I could get out of this place"

And the waitress is practicing politics…


(I think people shouldn’t be rude to literal, or metaphorical, waitresses (or 'movie'-makers/stars)

...regardless of whether or not you have the "divorce" legally, you still failed, someway and somehow.

I'm not sure about your point there.

I still haven't seen a good/clear argument for not dating someone who is divorced (based on that criteria, alone)...
----

PS Tomservo, see what I meant earlier when you asked about my favorite movie...

[Anonymouse]

Re: What about divorced people?

I'm not sure about your point there.

I still haven't seen a good/clear argument for not dating someone who is divorced (based on that criteria, alone)...

Obviously you wouldn't see a point because for you there is no 'good argument' that will convince you. The facts lie in the cases themselves. People who come from broken homes, divorced homes, abusive homes, grow up and continue the same pattern, generally speaking. Divorce comes with the modern culture, and it's so easy it's like throwing tic tacs into an elephant.

People who have had divorces, and who have had children living through them, usually end up continuing the cycle. It's a natural human tendency you see. You don't have to like it, or agree that somehow this argument should deflect you from dating someone who is divorced, but there is a rhyme and reason to peoples' life history and behavior.

I see you don't disagree about Hollywood "celebrities".

[Anahita]

Re: What about divorced people?

Obviously you wouldn't see a point because for you there is no 'good argument' that will convince you.

Obviously? How? Are you are hinting at cultural relativism?

The facts lie in the cases themselves.

What cases? Divorce is a somewhat monolithic issue, but every situation is different. Thus, how could you tell much of anything about someone by only knowing the person is ‘divorced.’ For example, I take marriage very seriously. I also take friendships seriously. However, let’s say a woman had a friend who slept with her husband, I certainly would not find any character flaw in the woman for ending both the friendship and the marriage. Some guy on CNN yesterday talked about how he divorced his wife because she had ‘an affair’ (horrible) with her 14-year-old student. My point is that the DETAILS (the why, etc) are more important than the mere fact of ‘divorce.’

People who have had divorces, and who have had children living through them, usually end up continuing the cycle.

Some might. I am divorced. I believe, I will not.

I see you don't disagree about Hollywood "celebrities".

When I speak, I often do so on several levels...

Literally, I’m not very impressed by ‘bling’ and glamour. However I do appreciate those who have the ‘spotlight,’ in literal Hollywood, and take that as an opportunity to help someone else (be that with money, publicity, etc.) Angelina, by the way, would mostly rather NOT be acting.

[Anonymouse]

Re: What about divorced people?

Obviously? How? Are you are hinting at cultural relativism?

No I'm not.

What cases? Divorce is a somewhat monolithic issue, but every situation is different. Thus, how could you tell much of anything about someone by only knowing the person is ‘divorced.’ For example, I take marriage very seriously. I also take friendships seriously. However, let’s say a woman had a friend who slept with her husband, I certainly would not find any character flaw in the woman for ending both the friendship and the marriage. Some guy on CNN yesterday talked about how he divorced his wife because she had ‘an affair’ (horrible) with her 14-year-old student. My point is that the DETAILS (the why, etc) are more important than the mere fact of ‘divorce.’

You see, this is where things get blurred. You confuse the exception as somehow being the rule. While I am speaking in generalities, you are speaking in singularities. While I speak of the rule, you speak of the exception, and that is where the confusion stemmed from. The exceptions are not the rules. It is in these exceptions that we no doubt must look at the details, but how many of the divorces these days stem from these details? America in this age is, literally, a throw-away society. In southern California alone, the divorce rate is 2 out of 3 marriages, that is hardly an exception and is pretty much the general rule.

Some might. I am divorced. I believe, I will not.

This isn't about you. We are talking about generalities of people, large cross sections of the population.

However I do appreciate those who have the ‘spotlight,’ in literal Hollywood, and take that as an opportunity to help someone else (be that with money, publicity, etc.)

Who cares? I am not impressed with them. Why all of a sudden now that they are wealthy and famous do we have to observe and follow their example? "Oh look it's George Clooney and he is helping people! Wow I wanna be just like him. Now that I have truly seen George Clooney and Angelina Jolie helping people and being 'politically active', I too have learned from them and they have inspired me! Oh joy!"

Such thinking is childish. Just becuase you're a celebrity and "help people" doesn't make you special. We all help people, okay? You don't see us advertising ourselves for attention or recognition because that is not what helping people is about. Hell, I help people all the time, even indirectly. By taking out the garbage, I not only help the garbage man, but I also help the bums, and my neighbors to keep things clean.

Angelina, by the way, would mostly rather NOT be acting.

Is that so? Then why hasn't she quit? My guess is because there is no other job that would pay as much for her to support her posh and lavish lifestyle. Hypocrisy my guess.

[Anahita]

Re: What about divorced people?

No I'm not.



You see, this is where things get blurred. You confuse the exception as somehow being the rule.

No. I used extreme examples to illustrate a point. Every situation is different. Divorce stats tell you nothing but the stats. I appreciate and agree with your concern with people viewing (if I understand you correctly) marriage as disposable. I find that sad. I'm not at all convinced this is the 'norm' of divorce, though. How are you certain that you aren't speaking of singluarities?

I'll respond to the 'celeb' stuff later... not nearly as important.

[Anahita]

Re: What about divorced people?

You say it's my birthday... na na na na na...
it's my birthday too, yeah!

March 25.

I give you a quarter so that you can March down the street to get me a birthday present...

March 25.

That's what I told my friends in grade school, so they wouldn't forget my birthday.

March 25.

Goddess gives you a quarter. You march.

March 25.

Really, you'll never forget.

March 25.

"Repetition works, David. Repetion works, David."

I wonder if the first person to wish me a happy birthday knows they get big bonus points...?

NOW THAT IS REALLY begging a question...