Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

[gizzy]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

If you've come here and expected discussions on a friendly basis, then you have wasted your time. You have given me enough reasons, to think that you can't stand the idea of people disliking your country and , even more important, you can't stand the idea of being hated for something you haven't donein the first place. But what you have to remember is, that you are being "disliked" because you are ridiculing our situation, our aims and our suffering. It took you enough time to even accept, that there has been a genocide.
I'm curious what you would have done, if you were in our situation and please be honest, if you descide to answer. If you don't think, that you are capable of putting yourself in our position, please ignore the question.

I completly understand the pain your family went through & still going throught and think I already mentioned it several times...well... I see your point when you say "disliking your country" and by country you probably meant the "autorities"....on the other hand how come you expect him to say "I am criminal, accuse me" after a crime commited by people long ago he didnt even know about? Isnt it unfair on him if you say "I hate you coz your dad killed mine"!! sorry bad lang ahead... its like saying "you are a xxxxx coz your mum was a xxxxx"!!! its a completly wrong way of thinking... "Him", "individually" commited no crime and had no autority of what happened in the past. However...If you talk about the "government" which is an "autority" and it is possible by law to accuse "autorities" for the "crimes" they commited before, then you are on the right path...

I personally think that if Armenians want something out of "turkey" its better if done with "more friendly" way. I dont understand how come some of you still dont see it that you are not doing it the clever way as the more you show that you "hate" em the more they "hate" you and at the same time you expect people to individually accept the genocide!!helloo!!. Meanwhile, as far as I know, pls correct me if am wrong exfo, turkish government is teaching the kids that armenians were betrayers and they were manipulated by other nations to weaken turkish... What this means esther is its time for both armenians and turks to "put themselves in the other sides' shoes"... If not solved in peaceful manner the big nations will keep on "playing" armenia and turkey for their own benefit... You must see it fast and act fast, think!!... Who would get hurt the most if turkey and armenia negotiates and find a solution to this problem?

[Gunner14]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Although my English is not that much perfect I found that these people can not distinguish singular you and plural you and tend to believe that I imply singular you when I use it. Also Gunner suffer from the same problem.

Well, the only thing gunner suffers form is large genetelia. You stupid *censor*, you say we don't judge turks on an individual basis, but when you speak about armenians and the diaspora you (exefo) say (we all) are a certain way(that we are all obsessed with turks, that we all hate turks.... generalizing is the first sign of stupidity and even worse, turkishness.... there i win, you have no credibility to speak about armenians or the disaspora... you know nothing.

[Esther]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

The problem is you do not have enough information about Armenian diaspora at thw western countries. That's why you miss some points and believe that this "Turks are X" chatting is about some extremefanatic Armenians. No. It is a general habit of an entire nation (if we seperate western diaspora from Armenia) They believe that they can legitimate everything because of this victim psychology. I know diaspora more than you and this is not my self imagination but the reality. Even some diaspora intellectuals see this fact and warn their community from this Turkish based lifestyle.
Otherwise I have no problem to critisize the hitory of Turkey. I already try to make that mature discussion about the crimes of Turkey at 1915 but there is another fact that these people do not deserve this discussion. You say that they are fighting for their rights. No. They are fighting for nothing. They have all comfort and the reason why they insult Turks everyday at internet is because this is their national identity and lifestyle. They are afraid that if they give up the Turkish hatred one day all they will be assimilated inside western world because unfortunately this is the only notion that unite them. I recommend you to read all their posts and you will get to realise this ilness.

Do you know why we still fight? Why we, after more than 90 years, still continue to struggle with the pathetic ignorant policy of your country? Because there are still consequences affecting our lives. It can not be denied, that my family and many other families, too, wouldn't be forced to live in a country far far away from home. So many of us are seperated from our culture. There are so many of us, who lost their identy and who don't know anything about their own traditions; who are not even capable of speaking their own language. You say you know Diaspora Armenians, you claim that you have enough knowledge about our motives and our goals. But in the end, you have no idea how painful it is to go to church on the 24th april every year and to light candles for the dead, and instead of reducing the damage, which your people are still guilty of (I'm talking about the denial of the genocide) we have to pray for another person, who lost his life only because he dared to try to talk about "historical facts". Every try we made to talk or to discuss this genocide in public was in vain. There is no reason to accuse us of being not "worthy" enough to be talked to. You might be right, if you say that we don't judge Turks as individuals. And you might be right, if you say, that this "Turkish hatred" or whatever you want to call it, is uniting us in some kind of way. But we are not holding on to that hatred, (if you can even call it "hatred"), because we are afraid of falling apart. We "hate", because we have enough reasons to do so. If you've come here and expected discussions on a friendly basis, then you have wasted your time. You have given me enough reasons, to think that you can't stand the idea of people disliking your country and , even more important, you can't stand the idea of being hated for something you haven't donein the first place. But what you have to remember is, that you are being "disliked" because you are ridiculing our situation, our aims and our suffering. It took you enough time to even accept, that there has been a genocide.
I'm curious what you would have done, if you were in our situation and please be honest, if you descide to answer. If you don't think, that you are capable of putting yourself in our position, please ignore the question.

[Sip]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

No no ... good luck to YOU. You are the one who has to figure things out. But you will need luck because as you've said, you don't like to research.

[exfo]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

I don't understand what gives you the impression that there is to be a "discussion"? The facts are clear.

Ok. Good luck to you.

[exfo]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

I dont think he meant "you"...But some people on the forum did call turks as jerks and some people here really look "obsessed" as they are constantly saying "turks are this and that"... am sure you know what I mean...

Although my English is not that much perfect I found that these people can not distinguish singular you and plural you and tend to believe that I imply singular you when I use it. Also Gunner suffer from the same problem.

Anyway, I recommend you to read Ara Baliozian at intellectual lounge. But of course first I recommend you to read about 1915 before to understand the crimes of the Turkish ruling party towards Armenians. Dont waste your time here with Cowboys and Bolshevics.

[Sip]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

I already try to make that mature discussion about the crimes of Turkey at 1915 but there is another fact that these people ...

I don't understand what gives you the impression that there is to be a "discussion"? The facts are clear. The crime is a crime of Genocide. Now get over it and MOVE on. Stop trying to blame your problems on everyone else. Armenian diaspora this and that ... foolish Americans this and that ... none of that changes ANY of the facts so stop trying to pretend you are anything but a worthless troll here.

[exfo]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

I can see why turkey plays an important part in their lives as their families had to leave their homes to save their lives. These people claim there have been a genocide and they will fight for their rights. you can understand it right? and I think if you reply with a "ridiculous manner" to those who you think are "immature" then it makes your reply even more "immature"...

On the other hand all of you want turks to accept the genocide and at the same time some of you are trying to humiliate them by saying they are "inferior"? and let me guess, its giving you pleasure? I dont think thats a good way of dealing with the people who you call as your "enemies". There are millions of people in turkey and not all of them are stupid as you "imagine" them to be. turks have different lifestyles and ideologies and you cant judge them all based on a single "stereotype"... If you walk on the street a min you see "soldier citizens" after a minute you see "religious citizens" and one minute later you see "rich and ignorant citizens" the other minute you see "enlightened citizens"...etc...You will need to negotiate with them and thats the only way you can solve your problem with these people in a peaceful manner. If you choose "no I like to be immature coz it gives me more pleasure" then go on and humiliate yourself. If you are lucky enough, you will get some "fanatic people" here and some of you will have a bit of "you are a donkey" conversation and it will be enough for you to "make your day".... thats just sad....

I have read his prevous posts and I dont think exfo is a "fanatic person" and he can take critisizm if said the right way. He was being sensible until he was provoked by some "extremely fanatic" people. I cannot blame him for lacking "self-critizism" as some people have been attacking him with their "words" and he had to reply to them. Am sure the only reason why he is here is to learn and discuss... I dont think his aim is to make fun of or be racist to anybody...

The problem is you do not have enough information about Armenian diaspora at thw western countries. That's why you miss some points and believe that this "Turks are X" chatting is about some extremefanatic Armenians. No. It is a general habit of an entire nation (if we seperate western diaspora from Armenia) They believe that they can legitimate everything because of this victim psychology. I know diaspora more than you and this is not my self imagination but the reality. Even some diaspora intellectuals see this fact and warn their community from this Turkish based lifestyle.
Otherwise I have no problem to critisize the hitory of Turkey. I already try to make that mature discussion about the crimes of Turkey at 1915 but there is another fact that these people do not deserve this discussion. You say that they are fighting for their rights. No. They are fighting for nothing. They have all comfort and the reason why they insult Turks everyday at internet is because this is their national identity and lifestyle. They are afraid that if they give up the Turkish hatred one day all they will be assimilated inside western world because unfortunately this is the only notion that unite them. I recommend you to read all their posts and you will get to realise this ilness.

[exfo]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Who said that I called all Turks jerks? And who said that I spend all my time on Turks? Stop inventing things about me which exist only in the figment of your imagination.





The *only* reason why I spend some time to educate myself on matters of Turkey is because of the Genocide, which the Turkish State doesn't admit that it occured, and which is the only reason why I live in the Diaspora instead of somewhere in Van.

Deal with reality or reality will deal with you.

So ASALA symphaty is also your hobby correct?

[exfo]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Ah yes, entertainment. All I know is you already said the Genocide happened, and now you're doing what exactly? Pointing out how obsessed we Armenians are with Turks? You sir are an idiot!

"Stupid Americans" hahhahaha my Allah!! The computer you are using... probably american, the internent you're using you can thank and kiss our American ass for it. Americans use your lands for military bases, and you shut up and let us...... and then turn around and say Americans are stupid.


haha, "it's for entertainment" oh you...

I love to play and watch soccer (I'm obsessed)
I listen to Coldplay and Jack Johnson all the time (I'm obsessed)
I speak spanish with my spanish speaking friends (I'm obsessed)
I'm at work 10 hours a day (I'm obsessed)
I'm on the internet all the time (I'm obsessed)

What is your point?

I am and American-citizen pal, and here we can be obsessed with anything we want. And good job on not answering anything I say... like I said SCHOOLED!!

Show me an intelligent and rational Turk, and I will show you a European...

As an Armenian it is so bad for you to imitate foolish Americans. Anyway, continue to admire them and behave as if you are a member of them. And the rest of the world will continıe to enjoy your foolishness.