Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

[exfo]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

You should be more affraid from a government and culture that feeds from stupidity and gullibility of its people.

I agree, USA is a good example for this.

[Sip]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

I am afraid the diaspora who feed from the Turkish hatred to keep their identity.

You should be more affraid from a government and culture that feeds from stupidity and gullibility of its people.

[exfo]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

I also think exefo is a moron, who dislikes the western world (i deduce from his/her previous comments).

Ok, good to you.

not that i have to explain myself to you, but you seem to be "cool" so w/e. Although i have noticed from your posts you too "refer to the Genocide as 'alleged' and you don't call it a genocide, so i dont really know where you're coming from...

Aha, Gizzy, this is the best part that make these people fool. "Confess the genocide or get our of here" thing. Yes, Gizzy, do you "confess" the genocide?

[Esther]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

I completly understand the pain your family went through & still going throught and think I already mentioned it several times...well... I see your point when you say "disliking your country" and by country you probably meant the "autorities"....on the other hand how come you expect him to say "I am criminal, accuse me" after a crime commited by people long ago he didnt even know about? Isnt it unfair on him if you say "I hate you coz your dad killed mine"!! sorry bad lang ahead... its like saying "you are a xxxxx coz your mum was a xxxxx"!!! its a completly wrong way of thinking... "Him", "individually" commited no crime and had no autority of what happened in the past. However...If you talk about the "government" which is an "autority" and it is possible by law to accuse "autorities" for the "crimes" they commited before, then you are on the right path...

I personally think that if Armenians want something out of "turkey" its better if done with "more friendly" way. I dont understand how come some of you still dont see it that you are not doing it the clever way as the more you show that you "hate" em the more they "hate" you and at the same time you expect people to individually accept the genocide!!helloo!!. Meanwhile, as far as I know, pls correct me if am wrong exfo, turkish government is teaching the kids that armenians were betrayers and they were manipulated by other nations to weaken turkish... What this means esther is its time for both armenians and turks to "put themselves in the other sides' shoes"... If not solved in peaceful manner the big nations will keep on "playing" armenia and turkey for their own benefit... You must see it fast and act fast, think!!... Who would get hurt the most if turkey and armenia negotiates and find a solution to this problem?

I thought I'd made my point clear,when I wrote that he has to remember, that he is being disliked because he was ridiculing our whole situation with the things he wrote and I once accused him of being ignorant to the facts, which was true. I'm sorry, but it is really annoying me, how you people always claim things without proof. I never said that I expect him to say that he is a criminal. But he was guilty of denying the genocide at first.

And this "put yourself in the other side's shoes" thing, I can't compare the Turkish motives to deny the genocide to the Armenian ones to demand justice. Please understand that these are some serious issues, which can't be solved that easily. Not all Turks think like you, I know lots of them who don't. And some of us might "hate" Turks, but they don't run around and shout it all out, at least you can't know if they really do. They say it freely on an internet forum which was specifically made for Armenians to talk to Armenians. If they can't speak their mind here, where then???
And do you seriously think we hate the Truks who accept, that there has been a genocide? I don't think you do, because it is unlogical and untrue. I have a lot of respect for those of you, who think for themselves and are not totally brainwashed and braindead.

[exfo]

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Meanwhile, as far as I know, pls correct me if am wrong exfo, turkish government is teaching the kids that armenians were betrayers and they were manipulated by other nations to weaken turkish...]

Of course government is not teaching the kids officially, but yes, the governments do this "Armenians are X" thing unofficially. At least the government create that kind of "betrayer Armenians" enviroment. Fo me the Turkish governments are as low as Gunner on this manner.

Who would get hurt the most if turkey and armenia negotiates and find a solution to this problem?

I am afraid the diaspora who feed from the Turkish hatred to keep their identity.

[exfo]

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I see your point when you say "disliking your country" and by country you probably meant the "autorities"....[/B]

Do they mean the authorities? I am not that much sure. I am afraid that they mean Turks in general (Sorry, I forgot to add barbaric, asiatic, murderer, islamic, bla bla bla Turks)

[exfo]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Do you know why we still fight? Why we, after more than 90 years, still continue to struggle with the pathetic ignorant policy of your country? Because there are still consequences affecting our lives. It can not be denied, that my family and many other families, too, wouldn't be forced to live in a country far far away from home. So many of us are seperated from our culture. There are so many of us, who lost their identy and who don't know anything about their own traditions; who are not even capable of speaking their own language. You say you know Diaspora Armenians, you claim that you have enough knowledge about our motives and our goals. But in the end, you have no idea how painful it is to go to church on the 24th april every year and to light candles for the dead, and instead of reducing the damage, which your people are still guilty of (I'm talking about the denial of the genocide) we have to pray for another person, who lost his life only because he dared to try to talk about "historical facts".

I understand it, when I make emphaty (which boths sides should made) I can understand your pain very well and I am ready to light a candle for your losses. I know that very bad things happened to Armenian society at WW1, many people is died from your side, all your properties are plundered, most important one is you have lost your homeland. I do not have any objection to them. But, for thr god's sake, do you think that you can legitimate all this stupid Turkish hatred because you suffered at 100 years ago? We are talking about your sides obsession with Turks now. Why do you expect from other side to "confess genocide" at every sentence?

Every try we made to talk or to discuss this genocide in public was in vain.

Come on! Turks (lets consider them as a unified body) are the side that question the genocide. And you (same again) are the side that do not want to discuss anything. For you everything is clear, you have all evidences, even the "western world" admit the genocide, so you already made up your mind. There is no discussion possible and you only expect from the Turks to "confess" the genocide or something like that.

But we are not holding on to that hatred, (if you can even call it "hatred"), because we are afraid of falling apart. We "hate", because we have enough reasons to do so. If you've come here and expected discussions on a friendly basis, then you have wasted your time.

If you thing so there is no need to "discuss" anything.

I'm curious what you would have done, if you were in our situation and please be honest, if you descide to answer. If you don't think, that you are capable of putting yourself in our position, please ignore the question.

Well I don’t know of course, maybe I would hate from the other side blindly like “you”
But this doesn’t legitimate the hatred itself.

[Gunner14]

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I was looking for a "diculous pleasure" example and voilla!! it came to me..thnx gunner.... Its funny how you are accusing exfo for generalizing and yet you use the general term "turkishness" and dont tell me that you assume thats called talking "individual" basis....oh please!....

Gizzy i'll be the first to admit that some years back, i used to generalize, but i recognize the error of my way... thanks to people like you.

So I don't think (all) turks are anything. I do feel that if a turkish person out right denies the genocide without and sort of rational explination, then that turk or who ever it be, is ignoarnt and i dont consider them at "my level"

"turkishness" is this feeling that exefo has that... all western world is bad, and sinner, and they terrorize the world blah blah without ever criticiszing a single muslim nation for its shortcomings ... that's turkishness (btw, it was the root of the armenian genocide)

I also think exefo is a moron, who dislikes the western world (i deduce from his/her previous comments).



I think the stem of my hatred came from the lack of remorse on behalf of turks....

not that i have to explain myself to you, but you seem to be "cool" so w/e. Although i have noticed from your posts you too "refer to the Genocide as 'alleged' and you don't call it a genocide, so i dont really know where you're coming from...

[Sip]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

The important fact still remains that exfo has been OWN3D.

[gizzy]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Well, the only thing gunner suffers form is large genetelia. You stupid *censor*, you say we don't judge turks on an individual basis, but when you speak about armenians and the diaspora you (exefo) say (we all) are a certain way(that we are all obsessed with turks, that we all hate turks.... generalizing is the first sign of stupidity and even worse, turkishness.... there i win, you have no credibility to speak about armenians or the disaspora... you know nothing.

I was looking for a "diculous pleasure" example and voilla!! it came to me..thnx gunner.... Its funny how you are accusing exfo for generalizing and yet you use the general term "turkishness" and dont tell me that you assume thats called talking "individual" basis....oh please!....