Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

[exfo]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Freedom of speech my ass....

1.Herant Dink
2.Orhan Pamuk
3.Elif Shafak
4.John Stuart Mill

Maybe the first country that needs to check its "freedom of speech" should be turkey eh?

point, set, match...

I was %100 sure that you will distort my question with this. The freedom of speech problems in Turkey doesnt justify the freedom of speech problems of Armenian diaspora. If you can not answer my question, at least dont manipulate it by spamming garbage. The question here now is the banning of the freedom of speech by France and Switzerland. If you want to discuss Turkey we can do it seperately, but dont use it to shield yours. At least try to be honest that much.
p.s.: I dont interest with your ass or your insults loser.

[Gunner14]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Freedom of speech my ass....

1.Herant Dink
2.Orhan Pamuk
3.Elif Shafak
4.John Stuart Mill

Maybe the first country that needs to check its "freedom of speech" should be turkey eh?

point, set, match...

[exfo]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

I still dont understand :S...It would be nice if somebody could explain to me. I didnt said I dont accept the genocide. Instead I accepted and said as far as I understood from what I read so far, there was a "mass violence" involved towards armenians and turkish government is responsible for it and they should be panished.

Why do you suddenly feel to express that you accept the genocide? Are you afraid that Switzerland police will arrest you, you want to be politically correct and dont want to attrack the hateful messages to you, or you have no problem about banning an opinion by the laws with prison punishment? Indeed, isn't here any single individual that feel something wrong with this???
How can you justify the decleration of an opinion result with prison???

I know its not easy to forget the past but if one wants to have a happy future, forgiveness and peacfulnes is the only way out. I would never want to fill my children's heart with hate. People change over time, I dont think the same way as my grandma does and it was the same for her and her grandma. Minds change over time and I believe if everybody had the intention of making peace then there wouldnt have been any wars. Violence should never be the solution to any problem. I hope my message reaches well to its destination. I think its good to give an example:

Here is a the past of statement from ..."Assembly of Turkish American Associations Regarding Cyprus Before The European Subcommittee of the House International Relations Committee, June 18, 2001"
recarding the "mass violence" my people experienced not long ago
.."It has never been declared a war under international law. The Turkish Cypriot fear of genocide was well founded. In a February 26, 1981 Athens newspaper publication, Nicos Sampson boasted that, "if Turks did not launch the operation, we not only could succeed in ENOSIS, but also eradicate the Turks from the Island.""...

Basicly, some manipulated greek cypriots had the intention of eradicating the turkish cypriots but they couldnt succeed. At schools, I was thought to "hate" greek cypriots, I was told "they are monsters", I was told "they tried to eradicate us"...It was as if all greek cypriots were "evil monsters", as if they only wanted "blood" and nothing else... Untill I met my first greek cypriot fella, that was the image I had in my mind and I was small, like 8-9 years old. After that day, I was thinking what my histor books wanted me to learn was a piece of junk. They wanted us to hate eachother coz it was to their benefit. However, I liked that person and I realized we share a lot in common. I used to know some greek from my grandma and I talked with her and she also knew some turkish...etc. After this experience I learned one important thing: I had no reason to hate a person just coz I was told her people killed mine.

I agree.

[gizzy]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Well you should ask this question to the Armenians here, not me. But this is the reality. If you express your above opinions about 1915 at Switzerland or France, the police arrest you, geti into the court and then prison. Thanks for the Armenian diaspora. No matter what you believe about 1915 you have two options:
1. You will accept Armenian genocide.
2. You will keep silent. It is forbidden to say the opposite accoring to the law.

I still dont understand :S...It would be nice if somebody could explain to me. I didnt said I dont accept the genocide. Instead I accepted and said as far as I understood from what I read so far, there was a "mass violence" involved towards armenians and turkish government is responsible for it and they should be panished.

I know its not easy to forget the past but if one wants to have a happy future, forgiveness and peacfulnes is the only way out. I would never want to fill my children's heart with hate. People change over time, I dont think the same way as my grandma does and it was the same for her and her grandma. Minds change over time and I believe if everybody had the intention of making peace then there wouldnt have been any wars. Violence should never be the solution to any problem. I hope my message reaches well to its destination. I think its good to give an example:

Here is a the past of statement from ..."Assembly of Turkish American Associations Regarding Cyprus Before The European Subcommittee of the House International Relations Committee, June 18, 2001"
recarding the "mass violence" my people experienced not long ago
.."It has never been declared a war under international law. The Turkish Cypriot fear of genocide was well founded. In a February 26, 1981 Athens newspaper publication, Nicos Sampson boasted that, "if Turks did not launch the operation, we not only could succeed in ENOSIS, but also eradicate the Turks from the Island.""...

Basicly, some manipulated greek cypriots had the intention of eradicating the turkish cypriots but they couldnt succeed. At schools, I was thought to "hate" greek cypriots, I was told "they are monsters", I was told "they tried to eradicate us"...It was as if all greek cypriots were "evil monsters", as if they only wanted "blood" and nothing else... Untill I met my first greek cypriot fella, that was the image I had in my mind and I was small, like 8-9 years old. After that day, I was thinking what my histor books wanted me to learn was a piece of junk. They wanted us to hate eachother coz it was to their benefit. However, I liked that person and I realized we share a lot in common. I used to know some greek from my grandma and I talked with her and she also knew some turkish...etc. After this experience I learned one important thing: I had no reason to hate a person just coz I was told her people killed mine.

[exfo]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Why is that? I dont understand... What is the mainstream official genocide history then?

Well you should ask this question to the Armenians here, not me. But this is the reality. If you express your above opinions about 1915 at Switzerland or France, the police arrest you, geti into the court and then prison. Thanks for the Armenian diaspora. No matter what you believe about 1915 you have two options:
1. You will accept Armenian genocide.
2. You will keep silent. It is forbidden to say the opposite accoring to the law.

[gizzy]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Some of you guys are chatting with Turks about the AG; first of all the more you talk about it with the trolls the more you make it sound as a debatable question which is not, second of all their true colours show up within a post or two, and I think you are smart enough to get that.

my true colour was there from the beginning dont worry about to too much and I also know your true colour!... you and your kind of people are talking to "manipulate" and "oppress" only. I have the right to share my ideas whether you like it or not. You either choose to agree or disagree but what you are trying to do is "manipulation" and thats unacceptable. I dont think anybody here needs your "comments" in order to get the "true colour" of what I am saying. Everyone has the brains to understand what I was saying and I meant no harm unlike you whose only purpose is "propoganda".!

[Siamanto]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Armenians respect/support the ASALA mainly because the organization in question struck terror in the hearts of the enemy, the Turds.

Are you sure that they enjoyed respect and support? When? How? What percentage of Armenians? Just curious, how well do you know the history of Hay Tad during the last decades and/or what happened to the members of the ASALA?

However, most serious Armenians think that some of the operations performed by ASALA were counterproductive to its stated goals. The actions of ASALA were manipulated by the KGB and thus lead astray. Due to their Bolshevik affiliations ASALA was made to conduct operations within western nations and, as a result, they ended up killing innocent non-Turks. The aforementioned was primarily the reason why western intelligence agencies began to conduct counter-terror operations against ASALA. At the time, the only group that stayed true to its goals was the Justice Commandos of the ARF for they conducted operations exclusively against Turdish targets.

Armenian,
In the recent past, our community has suffered from internal conflicts that could have been avoided and that will, hopefully, be avoided in the future. It is sad to see that, instead of letting the past heal itself, your are spreading false rumors about the ASALA as if it would explain and justify the wrongdoing of the ARF?

1- It is absurd to state that the ASALA was manipulated by KGB; at least, not directly. As for "indirect manipulation," it can only be pure speculation or as "direct???" - and absurd - as the influence of the full moon.
Furthermore, the ASALA, besides a core, had many "satellites" - individuals or organizations - with different views of Marxism and "armed struggle"

2- Until the Artsakh war, the ARF limited itself to
2.1 Pressuring and oppressing the new generation of young Armenians willing to fight for the recognition of the Armenian Genocide using moral and physical humiliations, including life threats. Such threats happened mainly in France, Iran and Lebanon. Such threats were not limited to members of the ASALA and even included young Dashnags.
(For the record, before the 80s, the three above mentioned communities were the main poles of the Armenian Diaspora.)
2.2 Following an "opportunistic" policy that lead to a close cooperation with the same Zionist J-e-w-s and conservative Americans that you so vehemently decry
3- Many believe that the "Justice Commandos" was a dummy unit in order to stop the "internal bleeding" - i.e. keeping the younger members - and/or make claims - such as you are doing - of having contributed to the rebirth of the Hay Tad during the 1960-1990 period.

I think that it would be advisable to let the past heal itself and refrain from getting into more details because they can only tarnish the image of the ARF.

[Lucin]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Some of you guys are chatting with Turks about the AG; first of all the more you talk about it with the trolls the more you make it sound as a debatable question which is not, second of all their true colours show up within a post or two, and I think you are smart enough to get that.

[gizzy]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

I am sure that you will start to receive the same hatred messages since you are out of the mainstream official genocide history of Armenians. Do you know that if you express your above speech at Switzerland or France you will go to the jail?

Why is that? I dont understand... What is the mainstream official genocide history then?

There were germans that helped xxxs, and kept them safe as much as they could....

So you mean turkish people didnt help armenians while some germans helped the xxxs.? Am sure there were some turks who helped armenians if they knew each other and they were friends. As far as I can imagine the atmophere, turkey was in a war, battling their enemies. People were poor and they were also suffering. On top of this armenians were on the side of their enemies so what do you expect happens next?
I expect you to understand one and only thing. Whether you think its right or wrong, these people are thankful for their army and those who died for their country to save the lives of the rest. Again, whether you think its right or wrong, these people value their "vatan"-"land" more than anything and it became their way of life... There is great respect towards the army coz it was almost impossible for them to defeat the enemy with the "none" technology they had but since they were fighting for their "vatan", they had more caurage and power to fight and thats how they defeated their enemies.

I have respect to things I mentioned above but I personally think turkey should start to "get over" the "vatan" obsession and integrate with the rest of the world. Ok, it was necessary for them to hold on to the "turkish idendity" to battle the enemy but its no longer helpful. It just makes people look like "fanatic" and "narrow minded" individuals , nothing more...Also I think the reason why the problem with the armenians is still not solved is coz they still couldnt get over the past. However look at germany and france for example. They used to battle against eachother but now they are in the same union and people are cool about it. I feel sorry to see turkey still having problems with their neighbours...

[Sip]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

LMAO at Turkish prison. That's probably one of the "better" Turkish prisons.