White people dating Armenian

[NightOwl]

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Thanks Siamanto, yes he does seem like a bully

[TomServo]

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Dude, like I was being sarcastic...

I know. It was a hella rare post from you.

[Armenian]

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Psychobabbling...

Shucks, I see the batch I gave you has not worked, you are still ranting and obsessing. Hmmm..., let me see what I can do. I'll be back...

[Armenian]

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Here he/she, try these now and get in touch with me in the morning. Hope this time it helps dude, because if it doesn't I will have to resort to drastic measures and you know how I don't like doing that...

[karoaper]

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I see myself as a cross between number one and number two

I appreciate your honesty there. I too am somewhere in the middle. For example, sometimes I care too much about what non-Armenians think. Or let me rephrase that: I get above-normal excited when a non-Armenian, especially a "white" one, complements or praises our people.

At the same time, seeing negative remarks makes me too mad. In the ideal world, I shouldn't have these hangups.

We as people have been victimized and there's a sort of underdog mentality that is especially pronounced with "whiners" who "whine" about being embarrassed about being Armenian or some other crap like that. The first step towards progress is to shed that useless underdog mentality. This also relates to the discussion in the Aryan thread about Armenian history. You are right that it's silly and unheard-of in many other cultures to accept a foreigner's characterization of you and your history and be embarrassed to believe the characterization of someone from among your people.

By the way, this last element is unfortunately a thing I've seen only in diaspora. In Armenia for example, no-one doubts that Urartians were Armenians. People there are unabashedly proud and less self-conscious. And whether you like Hayastancis or not, you must agree that it's way better to be unabashedly proud than self-conscious and unsure of yourself. I suppose though that it's because they live among millions other Armenians and for them being an Armenian is the most natural state, while for the rest of us the Armenian state of mind is mixed in with being a member of a different non-Armenian society and culture.

[NightOwl]

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The only time I had a problem being Armenian was in grammar school, the whole school was mostly Irish, i got made fun very badly and was an outcast. It was a horrible experience and caused me to have major self-esteem issues..
I had a more positive experience in HS, but I finally accepted who I was when I was 18 and went to college, I met greeks, albanians, persians, indians,,italians ,, all kinds of people and people accepted me and loved that i was armenian, its the response I have gotten ever since. The only people I ran into a problem with having a problem with my nationality are joos.

The other side are alot of people who dont know what an Armenian is, they say hey whats your nationality. i say Armenian, their face freezes and says hmm, ohhh,, lol

[Armenian]

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For example, sometimes I care too much about what non-Armenians think. Or let me rephrase that: I get above-normal excited when a non-Armenian, especially a "white" one, complements or praises our people.

Same here dude, although the older I have become I have found myself doing this less-and-less. So, there is hope for you, young lad.

At the same time, seeing negative remarks makes me too mad. In the ideal world, I shouldn't have these hangups.

Well, seeing negative remarks should make you mad, especially if they are serious remarks. You can't be "too" cool, after all we are Armenians.

We as people have been victimized and there's a sort of underdog mentality that is especially pronounced with "whiners" who "whine" about being embarrassed about being Armenian or some other crap like that.

I agree. And I think our collective victory in Artsakh helped us immensely in that sense.

The first step towards progress is to shed that useless underdog mentality. This also relates to the discussion in the Aryan thread about Armenian history. You are right that it's silly and unheard-of in many other cultures to accept a foreigner's characterization of you and your history and be embarrassed to believe the characterization of someone from among your people.

This comes from living and breeding with non-Armenians in the Diaspora.

By the way, this last element is unfortunately a thing I've seen only in diaspora. In Armenia for example, no-one doubts that Urartians were Armenians. People there are unabashedly proud and less self-conscious. And whether you like Hayastancis or not, you must agree that it's way better to be unabashedly proud than self-conscious and unsure of yourself.

I fully agree. Although I'm diasporan "Akhpar," I have always gotten along better with Hayastantsis. On average, I see them being proud Armenians naturally not superficially. They also happen to be very colorful and talented. I also appreciate their no holds barred, in your face, cutthroat attitudes. Although these aggressive traits are sometimes practiced upon others Armenians, in the big scheme of things, having those traits is how a nation survives and progresses. For example: Would typical diasporan types do what natives did in Artsakh? Would typical diasporan types have survived under the severe conditions of the Caucasus as well as the natives did? We just need to learn to use those traits I mentioned for our collective good. I also enjoy their appreciation for life and a good time. And I find them being more talented/intellectual on the average. Heck, when I'm there I am able to hold better in-depth conversations about various serious topics with simple villagers than I can with University graduates here.

I suppose though that it's because they live among millions other Armenians and for them being an Armenian is the most natural state, while for the rest of us the Armenian state of mind is mixed in with being a member of a different non-Armenian society and culture.

It's natural, welcome to the diaspora.

[Lucin]

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By the way, this last element is unfortunately a thing I've seen only in diaspora. In Armenia for example, no-one doubts that Urartians were Armenians. People there are unabashedly proud and less self-conscious. And whether you like Hayastancis or not, you must agree that it's way better to be unabashedly proud than self-conscious and unsure of yourself. I suppose though that it's because they live among millions other Armenians and for them being an Armenian is the most natural state, while for the rest of us the Armenian state of mind is mixed in with being a member of a different non-Armenian society and culture.

This is true. There seems to be a kind of psychological problem, a 'deformity' among us; Diasporans, while I have not seen yet the same among Haystancis. These people are so proud, soo natural, frank, sharp and shrewd at the same time and I must agree with 'Armenian' on their intelectual level, their knowledge, understanding, etc.
I have always been amazed by both Hayastanci kids and tseruks and I can easily see a world of difference between an average French or Persian and an average Armenian from Armenia on an intelectual level. The simplest example that comes to my mind right now is " the language"; have you ever noticed how a Hayastanci Gyughatsi speaks Armenian and then compare it to how a French Gyughatsi ( for instance) talks French? Have you ever noticed the literary knowledge of Gyughatsis or little kids in Armenia?

[Armenian]

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I obviously agree with everything you wrote. The only thing I have to add is that the only thing Armenians there are missing is a good sense of ethics/morals. They are forced to live for today and they will attempt to live at any cost. The end always justifying the means, if you will. Although I think having limited sense of ethics may actually be an advantage at certain times, if you want a decent, stable, progressive society in the future ethics/morals have to be ingrained within society.

This will not be easy to do. After a thousand years of subjugation by various empires, after six hundred years of subjugation by Turks and Persians, after seventy years of subjugation by Communists - it will take some time before certain things are corrected. Like I have said in the past: A mess that took a thousand years to create won't be cleaned up in a few years. Nonetheless, what Armenians have accomplished under the dire situations of the Caucasus is a loud testimony of the resilience and talent of the Armenian nation.

Generally speaking:

When I am in the mood to eat, drink and dance, I do so with my Hayastantsi associates...

When I am in the mood to engage in some intellectual debate, I do so with my Hayastansti associates...

When I am in the mood to laugh, I do so with my Hayastantsi associates...

When I have a problem, I ask for assistance from my Hayastantsi associates...

When I need help in getting something done, I ask for assistance from my Hayastantsi associates...

However, when it come to "business" I tend to seek out anyone that is not a Hayastantsi...

[Azad]

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The only time I had a problem being Armenian was in grammar school, the whole school was mostly Irish, i got made fun very badly and was an outcast.

PERFECT. I am coming to the conclusion that is what we Armenians need. Being viewed every once a while as "outcast". It has a normal reaction to embrace, retain and prolong being Armenian. Notice how Armenians from the Middle East extended and prolonged their identity compared to the Armenians that ended in European or "white" countries.

And yes I did notice this "Irish" phenomena in "White" America. The funny thing is that most are Germanic, Polish, Brit, East Europeans (you name it) yet they all like to identify with the small Irish percent in them. WHY? It is all over America from the Green Beer, the Irish pride, the Irish this and Irish that.... It wasn't too long go when the "Irish" were landing on the shores of this country the "Superior" Brits use to call them .... "An Irish is a Niiger turned inside out". It seams every establish group likes to make fun of the new comers to justify their own inferiority complex.