Evolution

[Siggie]

Re: Evolution

Something (and Don) tells me maybe I shouldn't even bother scanning the relevant sections that provide the very evidence you requested. Because apparently when you requested it, you weren't doing it in earnest.
Interesting how it's the depraved atheistic scientist that's behaving more ethically.

[Haykakan]

Re: Evolution

KanadaHye recieved a messege from god to seekout all copies of this book and burn them and SIggie as witchcraft and whitch and then to plea insanity for his defence.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Evolution

He's right, no amount of bullsh!t will convince me Should have never let the western world cross into the ancient continents... damn retards find these new species and stare in awe

[Siggie]

Re: Evolution

Ah beautiful. He replied rather quickly... There are indeed intermediates with shorter necks!

Here's what he said...

Dear xxxxxx,
I think we met at TAM9, right? Yes, there are transitional fossils showing the evolution of long-necked giraffes from short-necked ones like the modern okapi (and most fossil forms). They are illustrated in my 2007 book "Evolution." I don't think they are widely available on line yet, because the original fossils have not yet been published. You can cite my book instead if that helps, and if you want I can send you the figure.
BUT WHY are you wasting time debating creationists? NO amount of evidence or data will convince them, so it's just an exercise in frustration and like beating your head against a wall. Unless you enjoy it, I'd ignore them from now on.

Don

Here's his book. He may be sending me the figure. I told him to send it if it's handy, but otherwise I'll scan it from my copy of his book. I happen to have it at home; just hadn't read it yet.

http://www.amazon.com/Evolution-What-Fossils-Say-Matters/dp/0231139624/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1317842866&sr=8-1

Here's the Okapi he mentioned.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Evolution

Silly.... The video points out that this pattern for that nerve is observed in all mammals (odd unless we have a common ancestor) and you're fixated on just the giraffe?

Bio education -- there are no giraffe's with the short neck. It would be a different species, that's the intermediate.

This is what creationists do... You offer evidence that's consistent with evolution and not Creationism and they dismiss it and ask for something else. That something else is also dismissed... Yet they never offer evidence that fits with Creationism, but not evolution.

http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/giraffe1.htm

[Siggie]

Re: Evolution

Find me a fossil of a giraffe with a short(er) neck and then you might have something.

Silly.... The video points out that this pattern for that nerve is observed in all mammals (odd unless we have a common ancestor) and you're fixated on just the giraffe?

Bio education -- there are no giraffe's with the short neck. It would be a different species, that's the intermediate.

This is what creationists do... You offer evidence that's consistent with evolution and not Creationism and they dismiss it and ask for something else. That something else is also dismissed... Yet they never offer evidence that fits with Creationism, but not evolution.

I know I came across an intermediate to the giraffe somewhere and recently too, but I can't find it in google right now, amidst all the ID drivel. It's taking time I don't have to spend while at work. I did something better though, and asked author and professor Don Prothero if he knows of it. Waiting for a reply.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Evolution

KanadaHye doesn't but the rest of the civilized world does.

The rest of the brainwashed world, yes.

[Haykakan]

Re: Evolution

KanadaHye doesn't but the rest of the civilized world does.

[Mos]

Re: Evolution

So I am assuming you guys don't believe in evolution?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Evolution

Find me a fossil of a giraffe with a short(er) neck and then you might have something.