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    Nasa's Glorious Failure

    NASA satellite crash subject of 2 probes

    Investigations have been launched into why NASA's Glory satellite failed to reach orbit and crashed into the Pacific Ocean on Friday.

    The environmental research satellite lifted off aboard a Taurus XL rocket around 2:10 a.m. PT from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California.

    However, it appears the protective shell or fairing over the satellite in the nose of the rocket failed to separate as expected, NASA reported. That meant the satellite did not have the velocity it needed to reach orbit around Earth.

    "Indications are that the satellite and rocket ... [are] in the southern Pacific Ocean somewhere," NASA launch director Omar Baez said Friday at a news conference.

    NASA officials believe it landed near Antarctica, close to where another NASA environmental satellite crashed during a similar mishap in 2009. The Orbiting Carbon Observatory had also been aboard a Taurus XL, and its fairing also failed to separate.

    The Taurus XL is manufactured by Orbital Sciences Corp., a Dulles, Va.-based company that trades on the New York Stock Exchange.

    On Friday morning, Orbital Sciences Corp. and NASA announced they had launched two separate investigation boards to evaluate the cause of the failure of the $424-million US Glory mission.

    Climate study

    Glory was supposed to spend three years analyzing how aerosols — tiny, solid particles suspended in the atmosphere — affect Earth's climate. Such particles are released from both natural and man-made sources, including volcanoes, forest fires and the burning of fossil fuels. They may warm or cool the Earth by trapping or reflecting sunlight.

    Bob McDonald, the host of CBC's Quirks & Quarks science radio show, said such particles are "a bit of an unknown when it comes to climate science because they can come and go very quickly."

    He added that the Glory mission represented the first study of its kind.

    The Orbiting Carbon Observatory also had a mission to study the Earth's climate by measuring carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas that traps heat near the surface of the Earth, in the atmosphere.

    "I'm kind of disappointed that these satellites are not making it into space because we need them." McDonald said.

    Following the demise of the Orbiting Carbon Observatory, a NASA investigators spent months testing hardware, interviewing engineers and reviewing data and documents about the launch and developed a corrective action plan. The probe did not find evidence of widespread testing negligence or management shortcomings, but NASA declined to release the full accident report, citing sensitive and proprietary information.

    Orbital Sciences Corp. has since implemented the corrective action plan, NASA said in a news release.

    A duplicate of the Orbiting Carbon Observatory mission is now scheduled to fly in 2013.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...et-launch.html
    "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X
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    "I'm kind of disappointed that these satellites are not making it into space because we need them." McDonald said.

    There goes 425 million dollars tax payers will never see again...
    "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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      You love to wail on NASA huh? We don't count up how much taxpayer money is wasted by social services helping people who are basically defrauding the system or bogus "bomb detecting" glorified wire coat hangers. NASA makes up a very small part of the budget. Shall we look at what cost we bore because of the banks and their lending practices or the auto industry? And that's private industry and shouldn't be getting tax money at all. Some of these risks are just part of the game. There are some things you can't help and the others that are due to just error... everyone makes mistakes, some are just more high cost and will get more publicity. It's like for me, if I make a mistake, big whoop, I correct the mistake in the data and everything's fine. As a non-NASA comparison, an IT person at a large corporation makes a mistake and crashes the whole system and they're bleeding money until it's corrected or a surgeon makes a mistake and his/her patient is injured or dies.

      NASA/JPL does a good job and if it wasn't for these folks and scientists in general, we wouldn't have satellites at all and people like me would be hopelessly lost for the rest of their life.
      [COLOR=#4b0082][B][SIZE=4][FONT=trebuchet ms]“If you think you can, or you can’t, you’re right.”
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        Re: Nasa's Glorious Failure

        Originally posted by Siggie View Post
        You love to wail on NASA huh? Some of these risks are just part of the game though. There are some things you can't help and the others that are due to just error... everyone makes mistakes, some are just more high cost and will get more publicity. It's like for me, if I make a mistake, big whoop, I correct the mistake in the data and everything's fine. As a non-NASA comparison, an IT person at a large corporation makes a mistake and crashes the whole system and they're bleeding money until it's corrected or a surgeon makes a mistake and his/her patient is injured or dies.
        I'm stating facts, or do certain people have a problem with reality? Besides, it's not that hard...... lol

        The Top 10 Failed NASA Missions


        #1
        The Mission: NOAA-19 was the last in a series of weather satellites that monitor atmospheric conditions, follow volcanic eruptions and conduct climate research.

        The Problem: There have been satellites lost in space, those that have exploded on the runway, and then there’s this. During final servicing at a Lockheed-Martin facility in California, engineers failed to check if the satellite was bolted down before moving it, and accidentally knocked the multi-million dollar piece of equipment onto the ground, breaking a number of components. Whoops!



        Can read the top 10 here:
        http://www.popsci.com/military-aviat...probe-failures
        Last edited by KanadaHye; 03-04-2011, 10:49 AM.
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          *facepalms*
          [COLOR=#4b0082][B][SIZE=4][FONT=trebuchet ms]“If you think you can, or you can’t, you’re right.”
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            I just find it funny that it's mostly the climate gizmos and scientific research stuff that fails..... all the military stuff seems to work pretty good
            "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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              Re: Nasa's Glorious Failure

              Originally posted by Siggie View Post
              You love to wail on NASA huh? We don't count up how much taxpayer money is wasted by social services helping people who are basically defrauding the system or bogus "bomb detecting" glorified wire coat hangers. NASA makes up a very small part of the budget. Shall we look at what cost we bore because of the banks and their lending practices or the auto industry? And that's private industry and shouldn't be getting tax money at all. Some of these risks are just part of the game. There are some things you can't help and the others that are due to just error... everyone makes mistakes, some are just more high cost and will get more publicity. It's like for me, if I make a mistake, big whoop, I correct the mistake in the data and everything's fine. As a non-NASA comparison, an IT person at a large corporation makes a mistake and crashes the whole system and they're bleeding money until it's corrected or a surgeon makes a mistake and his/her patient is injured or dies.

              NASA/JPL does a good job and if it wasn't for these folks and scientists in general, we wouldn't have satellites at all and people like me would be hopelessly lost for the rest of their life.
              The auto industry like NASA is government subsidized and funded. If there were private auto companies competing against the big 3 mafia, there wouldn't be so much politics and bureaucracy built into the final price of cars. In reality there should be 10s if not 100s of automakers. Besides Russia was the first to send satellites into space and Russian Armenians have made huge contributions to space and science in general and none of it was for profit.
              "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                I would rather have the USA tax money be spent on space research (even if it has some flaws) rather then bombing people who cant fight back.
                Hayastan or Bust.

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                  Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
                  I would rather have the USA tax money be spent on space research (even if it has some flaws) rather then bombing people who cant fight back.
                  Take a look at who NASA collaborates with. They are all military institutions. Nasa is the research and development wing of military technology.
                  "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                    Re: Nasa's Glorious Failure

                    I know NASA is tied to the military but of all the government projects it is one of the very few that serves other very interesting and importent objectives. Everytime those satelites send us pics of the planets in our solar system we learn a great deal of new things about them. It is very interesting to find out that a tiny planet like mercury has a molten core or that the planets far from the sun have atmospheric events similar to ours with snow and rain but based on methane instead of water. There is so much out there waiting to be discovered and unfortunately NASA is the only organization with funding to make such discoveries.
                    Hayastan or Bust.

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