Eugenics

[KanadaHye]

Re: Eugenics

Science is neutral. It seeks knowledge. It doesn't take sides. It is not racist.

That statement makes is evident that you don't even understand evolution. If you'd like to tell me otherwise, I invite you to describe the basics of the theory. And don't paste me some some blog post like you usually do... I'm asking you.

What does Eugenics have to do with Evolution????

Science is about acquiring knowledge. How that knowledge gets used by others is an entirely separate issue.

LOL, I can't believe you're defending Eugenics. Doesn't surprise me.

[Siggie]

Re: Eugenics

No, the problem with these British "intellectuals" is all the same. They think they are superior minded people who believe that some humans are less human than others and don't deserve to be treated in the same manner and their justification in doing so is "scientific study".

Science is neutral. It seeks knowledge. It doesn't take sides. It is not racist.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Eugenics

That was not their motive. Darwin's motive was to understand how there were so many varied species all so seemingly well adapted to their environments.

No, the problem with these British "intellectuals" is all the same. They think they are superior minded people who believe that some humans are less human than others and don't deserve to be treated in the same manner and their justification in doing so is "scientific study".

[Siggie]

Re: Eugenics

Your "logic" fails you since the motives behind Sir Francis Galton's and Charles Darwin's work was directed towards putting humanity on the same scale as animals.

That statement makes is evident that you don't even understand evolution. If you'd like to tell me otherwise, I invite you to describe the basics of the theory. And don't paste me some some blog post like you usually do... I'm asking you.

That was not their motive. Darwin's motive was to understand how there were so many varied species all so seemingly well adapted to their environments.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Eugenics

Don't know why I expected anything else...
By that "logic" Jesus was at fault for the Crusades and the Inquisition because he laid the ground work which led to these sorts of religious endeavors. The Wright brothers are at fault for 9/11, Newton for weapons like bullets, cannon, missiles, etc., Pasteur for biological warfare, and so on...

Your "logic" fails you since the motives behind Sir Francis Galton's and Charles Darwin's work was directed towards putting humanity on the same scale as animals.

[Siggie]

Re: Eugenics

Yes, I'm disagreeing with it. They laid the groundwork which led to these sorts of scientific endeavors.

Don't know why I expected anything else...

By that "logic" Jesus was at fault for the Crusades and the Inquisition because he laid the ground work which led to these sorts of religious endeavors. The Wright brothers are at fault for 9/11, Newton for weapons like bullets, cannon, missiles, etc., Pasteur for biological warfare, and so on...

Science is about acquiring knowledge. How that knowledge gets used by others is an entirely separate issue.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Eugenics

Not getting sidetracked...

Are you disagreeing with my comment that it doesn't make sense to blame evolution or Darwin for this kind of eugenics?

Yes, I'm disagreeing with it. They laid the groundwork which led to these sorts of scientific endeavors.

[Siggie]

Re: Eugenics

Einstein wasn't just a scientist, he was also a politician... call it political science. His only real role in the invention of the atomic bomb was writing a letter to President Roosevelt urging that the bomb be built. He instilled fear by claiming his com-padres in Germany were on the verge of building it.

Not getting sidetracked...

Are you disagreeing with my comment that it doesn't make sense to blame evolution or Darwin for this kind of eugenics?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Eugenics

There's theory and there's application; separate, but related.

The point remains though... Einstein didn't invent the a-bomb, but it was his special theory of relativity (e=mc2; great energy from small amount of matter) that was built upon. It's not fair to blame him for nuclear weapons.

Einstein wasn't just a scientist, he was also a politician... call it political science. His only real role in the invention of the atomic bomb was writing a letter to President Roosevelt urging that the bomb be built. He instilled fear by claiming his com-padres in Germany were on the verge of building it.

[Siggie]

Re: Eugenics

So the atomic bomb was created to be used..... as a giant paper weight?

Let me rephrase. What's the point of science if you're not going to apply it?!?!?!!!

There's theory and there's application; separate, but related.

The point remains though... Einstein didn't invent the a-bomb, but it was his special theory of relativity (e=mc2; great energy from small amount of matter) that was built upon. It's not fair to blame him for nuclear weapons.