Eugenics

[Siggie]

Re: Eugenics

When the species stops using money to decide fate (since money is the mechanism of change in the human species) then perhaps "nature" might have more of an effect in shaping the species.

I was answering your question. What are you talking about?
Is this one of those times when you quote me, but you're not talking to me or responding to my post? Just ranting in general?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Eugenics

And just fyi, what eugenics and evolution have in common is the idea of natural selection (which is the mechanism of change) which gave Dalton the idea that it could be manipulated unnaturaly to let others' (not nature) shape the species.

When the species stops using money to decide fate (since money is the mechanism of change in the human species) then perhaps "nature" might have more of an effect in shaping the species.

[Siggie]

Re: Eugenics

Incidentally, humans have been doing this very thing with dogs for at least a thousand years I would think... It certainly would have occurred to these folks to selectively breed with or without Darwin, don't you think?

[Siggie]

Re: Eugenics

I have never in my life, here on the forum or in any other way, ever said, typed, mimed, or even thought that science is infallible. It isn't. But, it is the best method we have to gain knowledge.

No scientist worth their salt would ever say that.

Eugenics wasn't "Science: "f*ck that, we're going to kill the meek so they can't inherit it" "

Science is a tool. It isn't a person, a group of persons, any entity, organization, etc. It is a method. That is all.

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And just fyi, what eugenics and evolution have in common is the idea of natural selection (which is the mechanism of change) which gave Dalton the idea that it could be manipulated unnaturaly to let others' (not nature) shape the species.


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Lastly, I agree with you both that social programs are a problem and it's undermining personal responsibility. Collectively, we're getting dumber through the process Sip described.
I don't think sterilizing people is the answer, but teaching personal responsibility and doing a better job educating people would be a nice start. If people didn't think the government will always be there to bail them out, perhaps they'd live their lives a bit differently. People should generally be accountable for their decisions and actions.

If we just carry others, we breed laziness... Those who are working look around and see others slacking and getting about the same income (from govt. programs) and think why should I work and support others who don't? I can be like them...
That's why communism failed, no?

[KanadaHye]

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As far as eugenics ... one of the biggest problems of modern-day humanity (this is a global problem) is that the dumb poor idiots tend to pro-create a LOT more than the intelligent, capable, and more useful humans. And with the advent of social programs like welfare and socialized health care etc, the incapable idiots are even more empowered to procreate which makes the problem worse.

The good thing about natural selection is that it takes care of this problem ... HOWEVER, we have been screwing with natural selection by artificially helping the less fit survive. This is a big big problem ... and as bad as it sounds that some people aren't worth keeping alive ... well .. that's how it is. If you can't afford to buy food for your baby, then you shouldn't be having babies. If sterilization is the only way to enforce that, then so be it.

It's even worse. Intelligent, capable useful humans are busy working to run the world in which the dumb poor idiots spend pro-creating with money from social programs.

Sterilization doesn't do a thing... put them to work! You sterilize them and they hang out in bars making dumb men even dumber.

[Sip]

Re: Eugenics

As far as eugenics ... one of the biggest problems of modern-day humanity (this is a global problem) is that the dumb poor idiots tend to pro-create a LOT more than the intelligent, capable, and more useful humans. And with the advent of social programs like welfare and socialized health care etc, the incapable idiots are even more empowered to procreate which makes the problem worse.

The good thing about natural selection is that it takes care of this problem ... HOWEVER, we have been screwing with natural selection by artificially helping the less fit survive. This is a big big problem ... and as bad as it sounds that some people aren't worth keeping alive ... well .. that's how it is. If you can't afford to buy food for your baby, then you shouldn't be having babies. If sterilization is the only way to enforce that, then so be it.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Eugenics

I don't think Siggie has said that. That is the basic definition of religion and we both know what she thinks about religions

Religion: "the meek shall inherit the earth"
Science: "f*ck that, we're going to kill the meek so they can't inherit it"

[Sip]

Re: Eugenics

You are because according to you science is infallible and cannot be criticized.

I don't think Siggie has said that. That is the basic definition of religion and we both know what she thinks about religions

[KanadaHye]

Re: Eugenics

Really? Contradicting yourself much?

No, really. Eugenics has nothing to do with evolution unless you think it does.

Only you would think I'm defending eugenics.

You are because according to you science is infallible and cannot be criticized.

[Siggie]

Re: Eugenics

What does Eugenics have to do with Evolution????

Really? Contradicting yourself much?

LOL, I can't believe you're defending Eugenics. Doesn't surprise me.

Only you would think I'm defending eugenics.