Eugenics

[KanadaHye]

Re: Eugenics

I am a bit surprised to read some of the posts related to social programs become part of the Eugenics conversation. It sounds like they are written by World Bank technocrats. It brings to mind Lyndon Johnson's famous remark, "Let us act on the fact that less than $5 invested in population control is worth $100 invested in economic growth."

Precisely

[Hai]

Re: Eugenics

I am a bit surprised to read some of the posts related to social programs become part of the Eugenics conversation. It sounds like they are written by World Bank technocrats. It brings to mind Lyndon Johnson's famous remark, "Let us act on the fact that less than $5 invested in population control is worth $100 invested in economic growth."

[Siggie]

Re: Eugenics

Well not just society but globalization as well. The widespread distribution of populations.

In the case of Armenians, think of the impact the Genocide had on our gene pool. Where with Eugenics the weak links are removed, in a way, a lot of our strong links were removed. Our intellectuals for instance were killed. Certain genes were removed creating a smaller gene pool.

Also, our population was divided. Small groups moved to new land. The new groups of Armenians that formed lost alleles present in the original population and so there was a smaller gene pool. Those equipped with instincts and skills advantageous in the new area will survive to breed but the rest won't be able to adapt and will die off .

Yes, the targeted killings did differentially affect our gene pool.

The last night might be a bit exaggerated though. I don't know that we're missing any advantageous mutation that will lead to extinction.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Eugenics

I love asking people to explain and having them say "just read over what I said..."

Regardless, this has turned into a political discussion.

I think the bottom line was, yes, society influences "natural selection." I think that's a point we agreed on?

Well not just society but globalization as well. The widespread distribution of populations.

In the case of Armenians, think of the impact the Genocide had on our gene pool. Where with Eugenics the weak links are removed, in a way, a lot of our strong links were removed. Our intellectuals for instance were killed. Certain genes were removed creating a smaller gene pool.

Also, our population was divided. Small groups moved to new land. The new groups of Armenians that formed lost alleles present in the original population and so there was a smaller gene pool. Those equipped with instincts and skills advantageous in the new area will survive to breed but the rest won't be able to adapt and will die off .

[Siggie]

Re: Eugenics

Just read over what I said and think in terms of money (long term and short term interest rates). Debt has replaced God as the guarantee for human cooperation, and our modern globalised world is driven by the religion of money.

I love asking people to explain and having them say "just read over what I said..."

Regardless, this has turned into a political discussion.

I think the bottom line was, yes, society influences "natural selection." I think that's a point we agreed on?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Eugenics

So, you don't agree that it's the lowest SES that are reproducing at the highest rates?

Or maybe just explain how you think it is that natural selection is being exploited by the elite?
By definition, it wouldn't be natural selection, so I'm not sure what you're referring to as the descriptor you're using is inaccurate.

Just read over what I said and think in terms of money (long term and short term interest rates). Debt has replaced God as the guarantee for human cooperation, and our modern globalised world is driven by the religion of money.

[Siggie]

Re: Eugenics

No, because the religion of money is constantly changing as natural selection is being exploited by the elite members of the species. Natural selection doesn't distinguish between long and short term adaptations. Since most of humanity is short sighted, short-term adaptations are the cause of most of humanity's problems.

So, you don't agree that it's the lowest SES that are reproducing at the highest rates?

Or maybe just explain how you think it is that natural selection is being exploited by the elite?
By definition, it wouldn't be natural selection, so I'm not sure what you're referring to as the descriptor you're using is inaccurate.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Eugenics

You mean because we give people money and in developed countries you can survive with money? So, that's what's shaping the human species?

No, because the religion of money is constantly changing as natural selection is being exploited by the elite members of the species. Natural selection doesn't distinguish between long and short term adaptations. Since most of humanity is short sighted, short-term adaptations are the cause of most of humanity's problems.

[Siggie]

Re: Eugenics

You mean because we give people money and in developed countries you can survive with money? So, that's what's shaping the human species?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Eugenics

I was answering your question. What are you talking about?
Is this one of those times when you quote me, but you're not talking to me or responding to my post? Just ranting in general?

I'm commenting on your comment. (As long as humans are involved, selection will always be artificial).