Armenia vs. Turkey Soccer September 6th

[RSNATION]

Re: Armenia vs. Turkey Soccer September 6th

The National side has made some great strides under the last two coaches but they still have a long way to go. They are still not as fit as they should be and lack a offense punch {although they are not as defense oriented as they were a few years ago}. They still lack dynamic goal scorers and players that can be counted on up front. I think one of the reasons that the are still not playing at a higher level is that the domestic league is awfully weak. If the domestic league were stronger, it would attract more interest from well-know/competitive foreign clubs that might be willing to sign young Armenian players where in turn they could gain valuable experience on an exponentially higher level. This is going to take some more time, lots of money, as well as stability within the association; a tall order but not impossible. We've seen countries of comparable size {but often with much more pedigree and soccer/football tradition} perform well on the world stage such as Uruguay, Latvia, and Slovenia to name a few. The current coach has been doing a good job and they have played some great matches in the last couple of years against some very tough national sides.

[Deniz2]

Re: Armenia vs. Turkey Soccer September 6th

Armenia got pwnt tonight
Anyway I knew my country would win so it was no big surprise.
There wasn't much of an atmosphere in the match, it was rather cold and lifeless but well, we won
See ya in Istanbul.

[RSNATION]

Re: Armenia vs. Turkey Soccer September 6th

Well, Armenia just lost.

2-0.

Why the xxxx would we even let them be in our soil? Do they even allow us to be on theirs?

Yes. This sport, not a war. As much as Turks and Armenians may trade insults and/or cheer their teams on, the match is not so much country versus country, but 22 players who are focused on competing and winning. It sucks to lose but it also shows the Armenian teams weakness and what they must do to get better. They have a good future.

All nationalism, anger, hatred and enmity aside, Turks and Armenians should be able to compete against each other in sport as human beings. If India and Pakistan can do it, and Ireland and England, etc. So can we. We'll win some and we'll lose some but we need to show Armenia/Armenians are good sportsmen as well as competitive.

[RSNATION]

Re: Armenia vs. Turkey Soccer September 6th

Let us also remember, some Turks as we have already seen may want to take the low road for various reasons and post insults. So be it.


Some things to consider:

Let us remind them that Armenia is country of 3MM and Turkey 70MM thus Turkey has a larger fan base thus larger revenues to support a domestic league as well as having a larger talent pool for players to choose from and certainly more experience at this level.

Armenia is still trying to build its domestic league and Armenian football is still developing. Despite the most recent setback and their current struggles they have and they are getting more competitive in recent years and things are starting to catch on.

[garod]

Re: Armenia vs. Turkey Soccer September 6th

The result was clear and there is no surprise.

I agree that match is not a war and especially I would like to congratulate all the players due to their gentlemen behaviors. I think that current match changed the climate a little well.For example, It is really strange that Terim smiled too much since his arrival to Armenia.We usually remember him with an angry face.

Also Turkish TV channels and newspapers made good news regarding Armenia and Armenians. We watched and read lots of nice interviews about people and city.

Hope that It will continue in the future and lift the prejudices step by step.

[Armenian]

Re: Armenia vs. Turkey Soccer September 6th

We should not be afraid of approaching Ankara with an open mind. There has been a serious/major geopolitical shift in the region and we as a nation need to adjust to it, lest we end up last in the line again. Had the recent warming in relations between Yerevan and Ankara been attempted before the recent crisis in the region, I would have been totally against it for reasons that I have previously outlined. The recent developments between Ankara and Yerevan would not have occurred had there not been a major crisis between the West and the Russian Federation and had Moscow not been able to crush the West's political agenda in Georgia. Let's make no mistake about it, this is the dawning of a new era in regional politics. As a result, Ankara is finally realizing that it needs better relations with Yerevan despite strong complaints from Turkish nationalists and Baku. Yerevan is also realizing that it has to at least be open to Ankara and seriously discuss issues at hand. None of this means that all issues are solved and there are no problems anymore. This is just an initial, or preliminary, trial stage. Moreover, and more importantly, none of this means that our Hai Dat or the status of Nagorno Karabagh will have to be compromised. There is no talk about abandoning Armenian Genocide recognition and there is no talk about pulling out of Nagorno Karabagh, and there won't be. I want to mention here that the Hai Dat, in particular, needs to be looked upon by all Armenians as a 'political tool' which we can use to the benefit of the Armenian Republic. Nonetheless, we need to better understand ourselves (better understand Armenia's strengths and weaknesses) as much as we need to better understand the enemy. Let's never underestimate the enemy and overestimate ourselves. Doing so, as we have experienced in the past, is suicidal. For small fledgling nations like us, there is a time to fight and there is a time to back down from a fight. We need to pick our fights in wisely. These are very complicated times in politics. We need to approach these matters in an unemotional manner, in a pragmatic manner and with Armenia's future in mind. I personally had a hard time watching the Turkish national anthem being sung in Yerevan, not to mention losing the game to them, but in the big geopolitical picture I am willing to swallow my pride (for Armenia's sake) and hope that our politicians in Yerevan don't screw this one up in the longterm.

[Deniz2]

Re: Armenia vs. Turkey Soccer September 6th

We should not be afraid of ... and hope that our politicians in Yerevan don't screw this one up in the longterm.

Hmmm you sure changed a lot since I left the forum, "Armenian". This is surprising, coming from you. So what happened to your beloved Russia?

[garod]

Re: Armenia vs. Turkey Soccer September 6th

No need to add same post second time. Nationalism started to work again.

Hey everybody listen to great nationalist and big patriot’s words. He shows the best way for you !?

We should not be afraid of approaching Ankara with an open mind. There has been a serious/major geopolitical shift in the region and we as a nation need to adjust to it, lest we end up last in the line again. Had the recent warming in relations between Yerevan and Ankara been attempted before the recent crisis in the region, I would have been totally against it for reasons that I have previously outlined. The recent developments between Ankara and Yerevan would not have occurred had there not been a major crisis between the West and the Russian Federation and had Moscow not been able to crush the West's political agenda in Georgia. Let's make no mistake about it, this is the dawning of a new era in regional politics. As a result, Ankara is finally realizing that it needs better relations with Yerevan despite strong complaints from Turkish nationalists and Baku. Yerevan is also realizing that it has to at least be open to Ankara and seriously discuss issues at hand. None of this means that all issues are solved and there are no problems anymore. This is just an initial, or preliminary, trial stage. Moreover, and more importantly, none of this means that our Hai Dat or the status of Nagorno Karabagh will have to be compromised. There is no talk about abandoning Armenian Genocide recognition and there is no talk about pulling out of Nagorno Karabagh, and there won't be. I want to mention here that the Hai Dat, in particular, needs to be looked upon by all Armenians as a 'political tool' which we can use to the benefit of the Armenian Republic. Nonetheless, we need to better understand ourselves (better understand Armenia's strengths and weaknesses) as much as we need to better understand the enemy. Let's never underestimate the enemy and overestimate ourselves. Doing so, as we have experienced in the past, is suicidal. For small fledgling nations like us, there is a time to fight and there is a time to back down from a fight. We need to pick our fights in wisely. These are very complicated times in politics. We need to approach these matters in an unemotional manner, in a pragmatic manner and with Armenia's future in mind. I personally had a hard time watching the Turkish national anthem being sung in Yerevan, not to mention losing the game to them, but in the big geopolitical picture I am willing to swallow my pride (for Armenia's sake) and hope that our politicians in Yerevan don't screw this one up in the longterm.

[RSNATION]

Re: Armenia vs. Turkey Soccer September 6th

Hmmm you sure changed a lot since I left the forum, "Armenian". This is surprising, coming from you. So what happened to your beloved Russia?

What happened to Russia? I would say they have shown they are not backing down, their power is growing, and they are no longer playing games with anyone. They control the chessboard. Essentially Russia have sent the message to the world that they will have final say in the region and what they consider their "near abroad" and actions that Russia views as attacking their interests will result in consequences. It does not matter who is for or against it, the message has been sent and the EU, NATO, US, etc. is not really in the position to do anything about it. Turkey might be able to take solace in the fact that the Neo-cons are on their way out in Washington.

If you were inferring that Armenian or any of us have changed or view vis-a-vis Russia, I think you are mistaken. We are pro-Russian.

[Yedtarts]

Re: Armenia vs. Turkey Soccer September 6th

Hmmm you sure changed a lot since I left the forum, "Armenian". This is surprising, coming from you. So what happened to your beloved Russia?

Did I see or hear wrong or it was your president who lately was and still is kissing Russia’s behind?