Origin of Indo-European element in Armenian

[jgk3]

Re: Origin of Indo-European element in Armenian

When we refer to Meds, we refer to Mediterraneans, not Medeans. We speak of the phenotype.

[anthropolog]

Re: Origin of Indo-European element in Armenian

The Persian people (Iranians) originated from Uzbekistan and Khazakistan (former Soviet Union)....thousands of years B.C.
Becuase of the Ice Age and the cold climate they migrated further south and they were the first settlers of Sourth Western Iran....next door to them (their neighbours) were semitic arabs. The ARMENIANS (Armani) were the same people as them(the same that came form Russia) but they stayed in the are we now call Armenia and the rest migrated further south (we now call that Iran).
Yes the Armenians and Perisans were Light in phenotype when they first migrated from Russia(and many still are)...but over thousands of years of living further south and having other "races" mix with them they have changed a bit of their phenotype.
Armenians were raped by the turks and intermarried others who were for example Assyrian or Lebanese (eventhough they are not Aryan)...but they would marry them cause they are christian.
Persians(Iranians) on the other hand didn't care so much what the persons religion was ...as long as they were Aryan they wouldn't mind marrying them.
However the Persians had the Mongol invasion (they raped and killed many) and intermingled with the population and they also had the Arab invasion (they raped and mixed with some persians, specially from the South)....because of this Arab invasion they are now a muslim country....plus all their neighbours are pretty much arabs and muslims so it was also a survival mechanism I am sure. Also don't forget that way back in history, even back in russia the eastern people(asians) had mixed with the white westerners(russians) and that is why there is a term called "EurAsian".
Anyhow, hope this helped with your quest of the origin of your people.

[Army]

Re: Origin of Indo-European element in Armenian

You've just shortened a history of thousands years to 'raping'.

I think marriages were far more often than 'raping' issues. Rapers also are murderers. Armenians would not exist today if all non-Aryan relationships were results of rapes.

[UrMistake]

Re: Origin of Indo-European element in Armenian

We did not migrate from any were know by the history we stayed in the place were Noah's ark first touched the ground.
We are the people that lived in mountain areas of Ararat,we were not raped we being conquered.

[jgk3]

Re: Origin of Indo-European element in Armenian

Anyhow, hope this helped with your quest of the origin of your people.

What books are you basing your ideas on? Sorry to break it to you, but I'm not really fond of this inferiority complex in people who look back to the days they were blond aryans, but now complain about how they were "raped". I don't think this explains anything about history or linguistics.

We did not migrate from any were know by the history we stayed in the place were Noah's ark first touched the ground.
We are the people that lived in mountain areas of Ararat,we were not raped we being conquered.

Though our hurro-urartian element was there at least a few thousand years before the indo-european element, the question remains: "How, when and from where did the Indo-European element of Armenians reach Armenia?"

I now consider the out of Armenia hypothesis a lazy answer, because it doesn't want to deal with the histories of any of the other branches of Indo-European except Armenian, who's linguist artifacts show up quite late in history and CANNOT be applied singlehandedly to trying to understand the nature and origins of PIE.

What is not bogus is when we try to explain our Hurro-Urartian past to a world that doesn't believe we are heirs to much of their culture, but one must take care not to converge Hurro-Urartians with Indo-Europeans proper.

[bell-the-cat]

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When we refer to Meds, we refer to Mediterraneans, not Medeans. We speak of the phenotype.

I thought it was the Kurds who claimed to be descendants of the Medeans.

Also, in early medieval Armenian, the word Mar (i.e Medes) referred to Kurds. Real Medes/Medeans were long extinct by then. Maybe that is where the Kurds got their claim to be the descendants of the Medeans.

[jgk3]

Re: Origin of Indo-European element in Armenian

Also, in early medieval Armenian, the word Mar (i.e Medes) referred to Kurds. Real Medes/Medeans were long extinct by then. Maybe that is where the Kurds got their claim to be the descendants of the Medeans.

Maybe so, it's something worth looking into.

[retro]

Re: Origin of Indo-European element in Armenian

Also, in early medieval Armenian, the word Mar (i.e Medes) referred to Kurds. Real Medes/Medeans were long extinct by then. Maybe that is where the Kurds got their claim to be the descendants of the Medeans.

The Kurds have merely acculturated a Iranic language. They are actually closely related to the xxxs and are a Semitic people (originally descendant from Mesopotamian).

[retro]

Re: Origin of Indo-European element in Armenian

What is not bogus is when we try to explain our Hurro-Urartian past to a world that doesn't believe we are heirs to much of their culture, but one must take care not to converge Hurro-Urartians with Indo-Europeans proper.

Whilst the Caucasus and Asia Minor are obviously important Indo-European homelands. The Indo-Europeans like the Turkic/Mongol peoples are originally from Central Asia and these nomadic Eurasian Steppe cultures are very ancient indeed.

Hurro-Urartian culture emerged far later. Whilst Armenia has been Eastern Indo-Europeanise. Hurrian has strong Eastern Indo-European (Northern Caucasian/Iranic) cultural/linguistic links and Armenia is in a sence really a distinctive bridge between Semitic and Indo-European regions.

[Joseph]

Re: Origin of Indo-European element in Armenian

Whilst the Caucasus and Asia Minor are obviously important Indo-European homelands. The Indo-Europeans like the Turkic/Mongol peoples are originally from Central Asia and these nomadic Eurasian Steppe cultures are very ancient indeed.

Hurro-Urartian culture emerged far later. Whilst Armenia has been Eastern Indo-Europeanise. Hurrian has strong Eastern Indo-European (Northern Caucasian/Iranic) cultural/linguistic links and Armenia is in a sence really a distinctive bridge between Semitic and Indo-European regions.

I watched and interesting Discovery Channel show. Humans first emerged in East Africa and as the Ice Age gave way, some made there way all the way east to Asia while some migrated west through Northern Africa into what is now Southern Europe. Yes, we are all related.