View Full Version : I don't know jack about cars...
Anonymouse
08-03-2003, 03:35 PM
Except how to change a flat tire, the brake pads, and the oil and filter. I just know the basic xxxx.
As far as all that high tech V tech bro car talk goes, I know nothing of it. Can someone please educate me and wash away my ignorance?
What is the function of a spoiler and what is it? What does an exhaust do? And what are some other things that have hard names to remember?
clubbin714
08-05-2003, 11:18 PM
Rear spoilers provide down force at high speeds but on the majority of production road going automobiles are more for aesthetics than function. There are few examples, the most notables of late are the modifications (recall) that the 99 Audi TT's were getting. The aerodynamic characteristics of the body seem to make for an unstable rear end at high speeds. There are reports of some owners losing control on the autobahn will driving their new car home from the dealers. The modifications to the bodywork include redesigned spoilers and rear diffuser among other things.
For spoilers and aerodynamic aids to be of use at speeds under 80mph, you'd need front and rear wings akin to an F1 car. Of course, then you'd have aesthetic, ground clearance and width issues... :)
What can be far more effective in a modern road car are under trays- partial or complete. Coupled with a discreet front spoiler and rear diffuser, this can reduce pressures under the car, effectively helping it stay rubber side down and front end forward on the road. Much better than unsightly wings that obstruct rear view and bring on visions of "riceboy".
The gasoline engine is essentially an air pump. Anything you do to move the air in and out easier will make it more efficient. So a better intake and exhaust will make some improvement. In theory that sounds good. In practice, it's not that easy. What you're looking for is more torque, and more area under the curve. Don't fall for the "More horsepower" trap. In N/A cars more HP usually occurs above 4500 rpm or so so be careful about the changes you make. To do that, you need to make the engine more efficient.
The exhaust is a good place to make some torque if you do it right. The biggest choke point is the often the cat(s). So consider replacing them with a high flow version. Forget about long tube headers - no low end power and a pain to install. Be careful with short tube headers; you don't get much bang for the buck. A good 2 1/2" inch single exhaust will be cheap and work very well.
The factory intake is usually pretty restrictive. Depending on how handy you are, you can open up the stock box with a hole saw, and route old air with some flexible ducting. K&N filters might add a tad bit of HP, but all at the top end. Cleanable elements are nice if you operate in a dusty environment, so you can clean instead of replace. But I've yet to see any dyno charts showing actual power gains. And there are now K&N competitors that are cheaper. Cold air makes more power. So routing in cold air to the intake always adds a little more power.
clubbin714
03-05-2004, 11:55 AM
ttt
anileve
03-18-2004, 09:49 PM
Can someone tell me, what the heck is that silly ttt...it's sounds like stutter.
Anonymouse
03-18-2004, 10:01 PM
To the top.
Who knew you'd learn internet lingo in a car forum.
P.S. I am angry at someone deleting my thread.
anileve
03-18-2004, 10:51 PM
Too bad :p. PM your favorite moderator if you have a problem. And thanks for the lingo.
One thing about exhausts is that if you remove the restrictions too much, you'll lose low-end torque (torque at lower RPMs). A lot of people do tend to get lost in the horsepower number game but horsepower is quite meaningless ... but the HP and torque curves (vs RPM) can tell quite a bit about an engine.
... afterall, horsepower is just a rate of engine power output. Torque is the actual force output at a certain rpm. With my blazer's 4.3L V6 engine, I get about 190HP max at 4400 RPM but at the same time, it puts out 250ft-lbs of torque at 2200 RPM which is where you need it most for crawling, offroading, and towing.
Crimson Glow
03-19-2004, 04:56 AM
Like the old saying goes:
Horsepower sells cars,
Torque wins races.
I've noticed a horrible trend. A decade or two ago, cars were putting out more torque then hp, not it's the other way around. There's lots of things I hate about newer cars, that's why my collection exists of only older ones.
Example: My McLaren Grand Prix' put out 205 hp, and 225 torque, and most have concluded that those numbers are WAY underated (GM did this with a lot of cars so as not to upset the 'Vette enthusiasts/owners). The thing beat up 5.0 'Stangs in its day, for crying out loud. If the 225 torque is accurate, there's no way that was going to happen. I had a local guy buying some parts off me a year ago who went to ITT (mechanic's school). He had his car dynoed there because the teacher wouldn't believe him on the specs. With just a Jeff M chip, the car was putting out just over 300 torque at the wheels!!! I HIGHLY doubt one chip did all that, so the starting point must have been well above what they claimed. Most of these cars have 140K + miles on them, and are STILL pulling 15-15.3 second quarter miles. Not that that's super quick, but for the amount of mileage, it's pretty damn amazing considering that's supposedly what they did 15 years ago!!
Newer cars blow. I just can't get into the bland stylings, and some of the features look like they've been retracted instead of inhanced. And they're purposely making them harder to work on, taking the fun out of the weekend warrior tinkering with them. I'll stick with my older GMs.
spookyghost
03-20-2004, 03:52 PM
my mom used to have a 93 lumina, and it pretty much kicked ass, it was pretty powerful and fast , desquised under some ....not so fast looking car hehe.
angelik22
06-27-2004, 03:29 PM
doesnt exhaust also put more air into the engine and make it more efficient -- more oxygen= beter combustion?
doesnt exhaust also put more air into the engine and make it more efficient -- more oxygen= beter combustion?
Too much oxygen and not enough fuel (a "lean" condition) will mean not so good combustion as you may get detonation (explosion before the combustion is supposed to take place). Too much fuel and not enough oxygen and you'll have a "rich" condition and again, not so good combustion producing a lot of junk and messing up the cylinder valves and everything else. Either of these could result in a bad knock and misfires in the engine and could damage things.
Ok having said that, the intake lets air into the engine. The exhaust lets air out. Everything should be just right and just blindly messing with things will mean trouble. This means when you see those guys on the streets with their exhaust larger than their heads probably don't know what they are doing. :D
angelik22
06-27-2004, 06:30 PM
oh poop i meant intake not exhaust-- yeah that tells u how good i am with terminoligy :D anyway, alotta my friends are into the car stuff so whether i like it or not i learn some things from them lol
A lot of people modify the intakes on their cars to allow for more flow. This works if the modification is done before the air flow sensor which tells the engine computer how much air is going in ... this way, if more air goes in, then the computer just adjusts the fuel mixture (adds more fuel) and the engine still runs fine or even "better" than before.
Crimson Glow
06-27-2004, 07:39 PM
But even in the above instance, you can run into problems. If more air is coming in then you fuel injectors are capable of putting out enough fuel for to create the correct air/fuel ratio, then you're still going to have a lean problem. Then comes the upgraded injectors. Everything has to be balanced for the vehicle to perform correctly. For example, bigger injectors without a better intake system will cause a rich condition. And bigger is not always better. If you go too large on the exhaust system, you could actually loose too much back pressure, and kill performance a bit. Again, balance.
Then there's also the problem of every single god damn thing being computer controlled on modern cars. If your changes are going to be major enough (which is the only real way you'll get a true performance difference), you need to get a chip that's custom programmed to run everything efficiently and correctly. There's lots to take into consideration for the pursuer of true performance. It's a bit more difficult than adding stickers to your car, or throwing on a K&N filter and ugly mufflers.
winoman
06-28-2004, 12:13 PM
Like the old saying goes:
Horsepower sells cars,
Torque wins races.
Carol Shelby
I've noticed a horrible trend. A decade or two ago, cars were putting out more torque then hp, not it's the other way around. There's lots of things I hate about newer cars, that's why my collection exists of only older ones.
..your collection? You have me intrgued....I'm a big car guy - and have old and new...I think there are amazing cars being made now...as much as I appreciate some of the old (American and otherwise) classics - I really don't think most can hold a candle to some of the vehicals of today - and not just talking straight line acceleration and speed - but handling and the whole package...
Please tell me about your cars though if you would...am interested...
Example: My McLaren Grand Prix' put out 205 hp, and 225 torque, and most have concluded that those numbers are WAY underated (GM did this with a lot of cars so as not to upset the 'Vette enthusiasts/owners). The thing beat up 5.0 'Stangs in its day, for crying out loud. If the 225 torque is accurate, there's no way that was going to happen.
Not sure what car this is...but one reason it might be quicker then a 5.0 stang is weight...and 5.0 stangs (stock) are nto all that fast - not bad - but they also tend to run out of steam (better at the low end...)
I had a local guy buying some parts off me a year ago who went to ITT (mechanic's school). He had his car dynoed there because the teacher wouldn't believe him on the specs. With just a Jeff M chip, the car was putting out just over 300 torque at the wheels!!! I HIGHLY doubt one chip did all that, so the starting point must have been well above what they claimed. Most of these cars have 140K + miles on them, and are STILL pulling 15-15.3 second quarter miles. Not that that's super quick, but for the amount of mileage, it's pretty damn amazing considering that's supposedly what they did 15 years ago!!
It is amazing what can be done by chip tuning...heck my little Audi (stock 260 lb/ft torque) puts about about 370 now! - just with chip and some exhaust and intake tweaks...not much really - and its a beast!
Newer cars blow. I just can't get into the bland stylings, and some of the features look like they've been retracted instead of inhanced. And they're purposely making them harder to work on, taking the fun out of the weekend warrior tinkering with them. I'll stick with my older GMs.
I think many of the new cars look fantastic - though understand what your saying - that same rounded supposdly aerodynamic look.... and yeah much harder to work on for most (including myself...not that i'm a mechanic by any means)...oh & I'm a Ford guy BTW (at least when it comes to older cars...)...lol...peace
patlajan
06-29-2004, 03:07 PM
What are your opinions on "the tornado". (as seen on tv) It goes inside the inlet hose and spins the air arround. They're saying it improves milage by making a better mixture. But all it does is spin the damn air around.... :confused:
I would think this is no more effective than replacing the air filter more often. Am I mistaken?
Here's the site:
http://www.tornadoair.com/index.php
Total gimmick. It will probably become more of a restriction than anything else when air is needed the most. If it's such an awesome idea, don't you think car manufacturers would have already put in a $0.50 piece of sheet metal in the intake? :D
My brother and I always find it hillarious when they say "It helps to make better horsepower" ... WTF is "better horsepower"?
Here's the site:
http://www.tornadoair.com/index.php
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: LMAO!!! The first button on the left is actually a link to a quote from John 3:16 and a message brought to you by the lord!
Oh yah, that really gives confidence in this company. Maybe if I say 3 hallelujahs and 4 Lord Have Mercys, my car will get 2 more MPG :eek: :D
This works if the modification is done before the air flow sensor which tells the engine computer how much air is going in
HAHAH good one Sip.. lol.. i hope thats for those who are learning here.. :)..
and crimson.. If more air is coming in then you fuel injectors are capable of putting out enough fuel for to create the correct air/fuel ratio .. this is a very very very rare case.. and may only be a problem for very extreme modifications.. very rarely will the fuell injectors flow rate not be enough for the flow of air.. unless the air is in other extreme ways force fed..
other mods to a car seen more so on much faster vehicles.. those who exceed 120 mph and accellerate at an extreme rate is skirting.. this wil do a great job at keeping the vehicle pinned down.. for anyone who doesnt know much a botu this stuff and has exceeded 110 mph in there vehicle, you would notice the steering getting very hard.. and tight.. this is due to the massive downressure created by the frontend of your vehicle.. ofcourse depends on which vehicle for how much pressure is created..some vehicles, mostly trucks, are limited in max speed due to air resistance.. *wind-wall*... the lightning F150 pick-up truck hits its windwall *maximum aerodynamic capabilities* at around 160 mph.. not very fast for such a powerful vehicle.. now.. the same engine *almost* in the new Ford GT, we are talking about speed sin excess of 190mph.. which at around 135mph, when the aceleramoter was pinned, would start to literally lift off the vehicle due to not speed, but acceleration.. lol.. so they added skirts... anywho.. g2g now :)... i like this thread
hyebruin
06-29-2004, 05:24 PM
mechanical/functional car talk turns me on...sort of :p :o sometimes i get shy when i go to the mechanic and they say 'your transmission works fine' and 'your engine leaks oil' and 'your headlights are fine' & 'lemme take a look under the hood.' i'm like OMG!!! what are they saying??? :eek: (the worst is! "you need a tire rotation!")
same with cops! i have this line in my mind! every dang time!! it plays like a broken record when i see the blue/gray uniform...haha! i won't say what that special line is! :evil: ~~chem asi!~~ :laugh:
patlajan
06-29-2004, 06:03 PM
mechanical/functional car talk turns me on...sort of :p :o sometimes i get shy when i go to the mechanic and they say 'your transmission works fine' and 'your engine leaks oil' and 'your headlights are fine' & 'lemme take a look under the hood.' i'm like OMG!!! what are they saying??? :eek: (the worst is! "you need a tire rotation!")
same with cops! i have this line in my mind! every dang time!! it plays like a broken record when i see the blue/gray uniform...haha! i won't say what that special line is! :evil: ~~chem asi!~~ :laugh:
What the hell are you talking about?
omniscient
06-29-2004, 06:11 PM
mechanical/functional car talk turns me on...sort of :p :o sometimes i get shy when i go to the mechanic and they say 'your transmission works fine' and 'your engine leaks oil' and 'your headlights are fine' & 'lemme take a look under the hood.' i'm like OMG!!! what are they saying??? :eek: (the worst is! "you need a tire rotation!")
same with cops! i have this line in my mind! every dang time!! it plays like a broken record when i see the blue/gray uniform...haha! i won't say what that special line is! :evil: ~~chem asi!~~ :laugh:
What the hell are you talking about?
This actually made me laugh.
mechanical/functional car talk turns me on...sort of :p :o sometimes i get shy when i go to the mechanic and they say 'your transmission works fine' and 'your engine leaks oil' and 'your headlights are fine' & 'lemme take a look under the hood.' i'm like OMG!!! what are they saying??? :eek: (the worst is! "you need a tire rotation!")
same with cops! i have this line in my mind! every dang time!! it plays like a broken record when i see the blue/gray uniform...haha! i won't say what that special line is! :evil: ~~chem asi!~~ :laugh:
This kind of car talk i enjoy even more :naughty: :naughty: .. now.. this is strictly for girls though.. so if your a girl and like this kind of car talk.. i have alot of knowledge i wanna let you know of... so lemme know ;)...
What are your opinions on "the tornado". (as seen on tv) It goes inside the inlet hose and spins the air arround. They're saying it improves milage by making a better mixture. But all it does is spin the damn air around.... :confused:
I would think this is no more effective than replacing the air filter more often. Am I mistaken?
Here's the site:
http://www.tornadoair.com/index.php
Buddy, i have two of those in our vehicles.. and i am not satisfied with the price paid and the difference felt.. which is ZERO!!.. lol.. they are rather expensive.. but they work good in certain engines.. and carb configurations.. smaller engines will be more effected by it, and same goes with carborators... it is especially best effective when sitting right on tp of the intake rather than the intake air-way.. the big fat "hose".. overall i would not buy it again.. for any of our cars.. i have it on a 4.0 L jeep engine, and it helped gas mileage veryyyy little.. barely one mile extra per gallon.. adding to its original 18.5 miles per galon **highway** so my opinion. its not worth it..
For good exaust performance.. you have a lot of work and expensive modifying to do.. these wanna be "sports" cars have not of what makes a real exaust a *real exaust* lol.. the simple mufflers that add extra noise do crapp.. barely a 2-8 % HP gain.. and less than that for torque... what you need to change is you exaust manifold.. install a real sports one.. thre are cheaper ones which will do the job by eddlebrook... anywho.. you need airflow.. that is the point of allll exaust mods.. other than for sound.. what provides airflow is the size of the tubes the exaust runs through.. on my friends 1967 truck, we put in a new 327 hp chevy big block.. and sports carborator, with no restrictor plate.. we put on its original exaust manifolds, and went for a test drive.. loved the noise, hated the performance.. we felt the engine trying to push the air out..
cam back , put it on stands.. and ripped it all out..
a trip to the junkyard.. and we came back with parts.. and some nickel cadmium welding rods and modified the whole intake.. it was HELL!!!.. lol.. eventually we added what we came to call "a back" to it.. lol.. like ahump on a mans back.. haha.. it had no trouble fitting.. anywho.. put in straight tubes, not cat's double exaust, ran the out half way under the truck in stead of all the way to the back..
and drove the truck to an extreme satisfaction..
infact.. we blew the manual tranny on it... later we found out it was not capable of allthe torque we were running it throuhg.. haha.. wow.. this is a long story :).. eventually we got a different tranny.. a ford i think it was.. and modified it to fit.. and now its stil running.. though he blew the battery once cause of his sound system.. lol. ruined his paint.. and his hood melted when there house caught fire.. he stil needs a good paint job.. i will post pics when i find them ...
hyebruin
06-29-2004, 07:54 PM
This actually made me laugh.
same here! :laugh: :laugh: we need to hook up our eggplant with some wild diva and let him know all about exhaust efficiency :naughty: and lube jobs and all :D :evil: :evil:
Crimson Glow
06-29-2004, 08:22 PM
Carol Shelby
Wow. Someone on an Armenian forum knew??? :D
as much as I appreciate some of the old (American and otherwise) classics - I really don't think most can hold a candle to some of the vehicals of today - and not just talking straight line acceleration and speed - but handling and the whole package...
Depends on the car. There are plenty of older (and I mean '80s/early '90s, not necessarily classics) that had features even today's cars don't get. On one of my '89 vehicles, the rear struts feature ERC (Electronic Ride Control). There is a sensor to monitor if the car is level or not. If a load suddenly weighs down the car, it will wait 8-10 seconds, and if the load is still on the car, it will tell the built in air compressor to kick on and fill the struts with air till the car is level again even under load. The front struts actually stiffen after 70 mph. Does plenty for the handling ;) So, yeah...depends on which car you're talking about, but I agree there have been plenty of advancements over the last decade and a half.
Please tell me about your cars though if you would...am interested...
In due time, my friend. In due time. I have a LOT of work to do on most of them. My boss is going to let me use his overhead garage at my work place, so I'll have plenty of space, and plenty of tools. I live in an apartment comlex, so it's a wee bit difficult to do any work, especially in a snoby neighborhood were such things are "frowned upon". And I'll start a separate thread for them, don't want to rob this one. They're not Fords, though. I'll tell you that much ;)
Not sure what car this is...but one reason it might be quicker then a 5.0 stang is weight...and 5.0 stangs (stock) are nto all that fast - not bad - but they also tend to run out of steam (better at the low end...)
Well, the car I'm talking about is only a V-6, and weighs 3,400 lbs, so it certainly isn't a light weight. They're right around the same. The 5.0 has around 300 lb/ft torque. If my car truely only had 225 lb/ft torque, there's no way in hell it should keep up, let alone beat the GT. In fact, someone JUST announced his car is for sale on the club for these things, and he said it dynoed at 261.7 TQ at the wheels WITH a cracked cross-over pipe!!! So yeah, I'd say there was some misinformation put out there. GM did the same thing with the Syclones and Typhoons. They released some severely downplayed numbers on the stats so as not to upset the 'Vette crowd.
It is amazing what can be done by chip tuning...heck my little Audi (stock 260 lb/ft torque) puts about about 370 now! - just with chip and some exhaust and intake tweaks...not much really - and its a beast!
Wow! :eek: That's a HUGE difference! Is it a turbo? That's the only way I can see what you've done making that sort of difference. Yes, chips help, but not THAT much. In fact, in most cases, they don't do a whole heck of a lot. Most newer cars are coming fairly tweaked already straight out of the factory. It usually takes some messing around with the internals of the motor to drastically increase power and torque now-a-days.
- Oh, and Gevo, the "sport exhaust manifolds" you're talking about are called headers. They give each exhaust port a separate tube to escape exhaust from all the way down to the collector, instead of the exhaust exiting into one pipe like on most factory set-ups. This certainly eases up back pressure, but usually is only worth doing on a V-8 motor, or larger. On a 6 cylinder, or 4 banger, the ports themselves are usually too small to make headers worth the effort.
And as for the fuel injector thingy, it really depends on the motor again. If you're talking a Camaro or Mustang, then obviously they'll come with some pretty hefty injectors with some slack for modifications. But the injetors in an I-4, or V-6 generally aren't capable of flowing much more than what the factory a/f ration was set up for. If you're going to make a fender well cold air intake (not the stupid "hot air" K&N filter under the hood intake), you can increase air flow dramatically. Anyways, almost everything with mods are going to be relative to the car you're working on.
But, wow. Who knew there would be Armos talking about cars other than BMWs and Mercedes with their lack of automobile knowledge? YAY! :)
In addition to the injectors, sometimes the fuel pumps simply can't build up that much pressure or handle the flow. Heck mine on the blazer starts making dying giraffe noises after a long day of wheeling ... and I've already changed it once. Though to the pump's defense, the reason the fuel sender sensor unit was off by about 1/4 of a tank was because I had bashed in the tank from below on a rock :D
hyebruin
06-29-2004, 08:43 PM
i love the roooooarrring sound of a freshly started V8 engine anytime of day :D
i love the roooooarrring sound of a freshly started V8 engine anytime of day :D
You'll love the sound of my 360 cubic inch engine with hi-flo cat and dual split exhaust. :naughty:
Anonymouse
06-29-2004, 11:35 PM
Wow all this car wisdom. Who will be the Confucius of Car talk?
hyebruin
06-30-2004, 12:16 AM
You'll love the sound of my 360 cubic inch engine with hi-flo cat and dual split exhaust. :naughty:
:evil: bring it on boy!!
winoman
06-30-2004, 05:11 AM
Well Crimson G - I am a big car guy...have a bit of a collection myself - mostly (fairly new) - but one old calssic (64 1/2 Mustang convertible with a 4 barrel 289 V8...[vroom vroom - that was for 'bruin! :naughty: ]....my Audi is an S4 Bi-Turbo...and yeah with just a chip (ECU tweaking...with several programs available with the flick of a switch - oh technology - isn't it wonderful!), intake (not K & N...better...), air-bypass valves and a honker of a cat-back exhaust - well my little wagon has gone from fast to beastly...I'm pushing 330hp & 370 lb/ft of torque through all 4 wheels (AWD - more wonderful stuff) - so its an all weather, haul the family & stuff around mega-machine. And to think I can easily (though $$$) upgrade the turbos and add downpipes and get another 100 hp out of her....so yeah serious mods are possible on these cars - and many of those ricer racer you see out on the streets are not just cosmetic travesties - some have some serious tweaking underhood...we're talking fairly easy 11 sec quarters if one is so inclined (I do perhaps upper 12s to 13...but then again...its a wagon! :D )
winoman
06-30-2004, 05:17 AM
What are your opinions on "the tornado". (as seen on tv) It goes inside the inlet hose and spins the air arround. They're saying it improves milage by making a better mixture. But all it does is spin the damn air around.... :confused:
I would think this is no more effective than replacing the air filter more often. Am I mistaken?
Here's the site:
http://www.tornadoair.com/index.php
Agree with Seaphan - junk/waste of money...your computer (ECU) controls your mix and if you don't just juke it out it will probably compensate so that air-fuel mix is basically what its supposed to be. If you want to make your vehical more efficient - learn to drive efficiently...if you want to make it faster - well there are all sorts of real upgrades that are (often) possible...beginning with ECU controlled engine tweaks, followed by revised air intakes and exhaust (to really get some flow through)...then bolt ons - like Turbos and superchargers (work wonders)...also gearing and rear differentials, clutch flywheels - many other mechanical areas that could lead to performance gains....don't forget suspension and brakes however! - want to be able to handle all the extra puch and slow it down in a hurry (sometimes...)
Carol Shleby??.. he was the father of the GT series for Ford's great achievments... he basically created the exotic design after Ferrari cancelled there contract with FOr for buiding a rave car.. they were afraid of the competition... Chelby was a genious in many ways.. anywho..
Sip, if you feel your engine isnt getting the gasoline it needs, you have nothign else to blame it on except poor gasoline.. literally.. the new SFi injectors with most of the cars since 1999 really suck.. infact the have changed them to double port injectors.. cuuase in california especially Chevy was getting alot of service done to these new injectors in there newer vehicles, especially the suburbans and tahoes.. due to the combination of fule pump pressure and bad fule with the SFI injectors.. SFI stand for *sequential fuel injection*.. a fancy way of saying. finer mist of fuel :)..
And as for the shock stabilizers in your old 1989 vehicle **what vehicle btw???** Chevy has come out with a new product, which is quite revolutionary as well.. it is called magnetic ride control.. basically.. sensors that sense the changee in road depth over a million times per second.. which in turn control magnetic shocks and make them so the vehilce stay as level as possible.. and can change position within an amazing fraction of a second.. lest than 1/10000 of a second.. truly amazing.. they have also equipped the new CTS i beleive wit this technology.. and testing has gone great.. so this is next in shocks :)
I'm done messing with the blazer ... it runs fine and I'm going to use it for a few more years. The rear springs have started to sag again even after I had installed 2" lift shackles ... so I got an extra set of leafs I'm going to throw on there as soon as I drive my jeep here to WI from cali so I'll have a backup car in case I brake one of the U-bolts or something while trying to do the install. That should bring the rear back up and put and end to the "squat to take a leak" look :D I hate that!
The only other thing I've got planned is a 200 Amp alternator that's been sitting in my garage ... I just need a weekend to swap it in though it doesn't really seem to need it at this point.
From now on, all the money is going into the jeep ... between the new axle shafts and diff gears and a full roll cage and front bumper and winch and onboard air compressor and welder and steering linkage upgrades and rear quarter panel protection etc I've got my hands full. Now the only problem is saving up the dough :D ... I think the way things are going, I've got another $10K to sink into it before it's set up the way I really want it set up. :cool:
Seapahn, save your money and buy this one instead:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6443&item=2483417605&rd=1
:wave:
Wow ... I don't know what to think of that one! I like those old Toys ... but Ferrari Yellow? Those are going to be some expensive dents and scratches :D ... also, the rollbars look like they were covered in duct tape! Never the less, very sweet rig.
Crimson Glow
07-01-2004, 09:51 PM
Seapahn, save your money and buy this one instead:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6443&item=2483417605&rd=1
LMAO! I caught the very end of that episode of "Pimp My Ride". That was a half decent job (aka not the typical ghetto look they go for). Why would she sell it? Freaking retard.
No duct tape, sea. Everything on the interior and exterior on that truck was redone custom. Only the engine was left stock. But you're right, it would cost a fortune to replace ANYthing on that truck if it broke.
It's a bit too blinged out for a wheeling rig but at least they didn't lower it slap 20" dubs on it. It's still a very respectable offroader though over 20K is waaaaaay too much for that.
It's lame man. They put a snorkel on it, but a tv on the floor? Yeah, that's a great idea!
patlajan
07-11-2004, 04:42 PM
That should bring the rear back up and put and end to the "squat to take a leak" look :D I hate that!
Also known as the "ass dragger". :laugh:
winoman
07-12-2004, 05:34 AM
... I think the way things are going, I've got another $10K to sink into it before it's set up the way I really want it set up. :cool:
Woah!!! 10K? Well it will be something then I imagine.....best of luck...
If I were to sink 10K into my Audi I'd be upgrading the Turbos, intakes & downpipes and get another 100 horse (for real!)...(and then upgraded brakes & suspension [and upgraded sound! - just as an added...] and some other stuff to round out the perhaps 7-9K worth...I'd be doing low 4s O-60 & quarters in the low 11s! :) ...maybe someday (if my current Turbos give out....)
I can't fault you for wanting to upgrade your ride (way cool I agree)....but if I were you I'd invest in a good (fast & nimble) street machine so that you could benefit from the thrills on a daily baisis...where its at IMO....
Last week, I've been driving the jeep on average about 70 miles a day around town. Don't assume for a second it's not a "street" machine as well! Actually, taking it out for a quick spin to the store and back is also a ton of fun with no doors and windows ... not only is it very easy to navigate in tight spots, it also gets the looks like nothing else I've seen. As far as quarter miles, I'll get there in a few minutes :p
Yesterday I went and got me a professional grease gun and some mobil 1 syntetic suspension lube (good from -40 to +256F) ... greased up all the driveline parts, u-joints, and suspension parts and WOW ... it now rides quiet like a lexus!
But although I plan to sink some money into it, I think I'm done with it for a while. I need maybe a year or so to save up and that will also give me a chance to see what it really needs. However, I'm pretty sure I will be regearing the diffs and going with stronger axle shafts. I'm not going to touch the engine as the stock I6 is fine ... it gets the job done for now but does need the right gears to stay in the proper power band with the big tires.
hyebruin
07-12-2004, 12:22 PM
ok, what i wanna know is...do you at least wear a seat belt? or a helmet!?? :confused:
Seatbelt always. Helmet no ... there's no need. The jeep does have full front airbags. One of the things I have planned for it is a complete cage ("roll bars") since the factory one is pretty flimsy though it will do a decent job on a roll over.
Yesterday I went and got me a professional grease gun and some mobil 1 syntetic suspension lube (good from -40 to +256F) ... greased up all the driveline parts, u-joints, and suspension parts and WOW ... it now rides quiet like a lexus!
I hate the fact that most chrysler bearings on the 4X4 vehicles are sealed bearings... i always feel safe when i richly lube the dang parts!!.. but you have to get the bestof the best grease for lubing your u-joints.. the cheap stuff will slick of and help for a few miles.. lol.. but the ynthetic blend is good.. what even better is the stuff i use to lube the chain on my bike.. no matter the speed or the weather or the type of road im on.. that stuff lasts!!.. and its easy to use... it comes in a spray bottle.. lol.. its like 18 bucks for about 16 ounces or so though...
Yes! I hate that the ball joints on my Ram are sealed. It's lame. If I want to service them, I will have to swap them out for Moog ball-joints.
hyebruin
07-13-2004, 12:03 AM
the ball joints on my Ram are sealed.
that sounds sooo hot! :naughty: whatever it means :p ...now i'm wondering if it's vaccum sealed? or lubed? :evil:
Siggie
07-13-2004, 07:45 AM
that sounds sooo hot! :naughty: whatever it means :p ...now i'm wondering if it's vaccum sealed? or lubed? :evil:
*makes a cracking whip sound* Down girl! :laugh:
Yes! I hate that the ball joints on my Ram are sealed. It's lame. If I want to service them, I will have to swap them out for Moog ball-joints.
Dont swap unless you do other alterations to your chasis, i have seen and heard that even the authorized replacement bearings are not well fitted into place, they have been known to put un'intended stress on the drivelines..
and Emil, we must be careful when talking about "rams" and "balls" hahaha.. there are ladies in the house ;)
Dont swap unless you do other alterations to your chasis, i have seen and heard that even the authorized replacement bearings are not well fitted into place, they have been known to put un'intended stress on the drivelines..
Yeah, I don't plan on doing it anytime soon. Just the idea of the design made me mad.
and Emil, we must be careful when talking about "rams" and "balls" hahaha.. there are ladies in the house ;)
It does make them act weird, doesn't it? :)
hyebruin
07-13-2004, 01:58 PM
It does make them act weird, doesn't it? :)
weird? :crying: :crying: i'll show you how to unseal those balljoints mister!!
:evil: :evil:
weird? :crying: :crying: i'll show you how to unseal those balljoints mister!!
:evil: :evil:
I can't wait for you to do that. ;)
hyebruin
07-13-2004, 04:28 PM
I can't wait for you to do that. ;)
haha!
you mean??? :crying: or :evil:
aah! what you need is to increase the viscosity on the balljoints to ease up on the friction and slowely unseal! when you hear 'pop' then you know the balls are free :laugh:
(wow! that b.s. almost sounds like real car talk!) heyyy :naughty:
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