Origin of Armenian Surnames

[KanadaHye]

Re: Origin of Armenian Surnames

Ordaq is also a city in Iran.... my lastname is derived from a city in Turkey as well as my mother's maiden name.

Here is a map of the location http://www.maplandia.com/iran/zanjan/ordaq/ If you zoom out you can see its proximity to Armenia

[Lucin]

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It's true that Turkish has taken many words from Persian (and also from Arabic). However, the word Ördek seems to be Turkish according to both the dictionary of the Turkish Language Association and the etymological dictionary of Turkish written by Sevan Nişanyan.

I don't know if you have checked the origin of the word from any sources before sending your post, but I guess you posted it just based on your biased opinions on Turks, Turkish language and culture. My apologies if I'm wrong.

Turkish is crammed with so many Persian and Arabic words that I thought this may be the case for 'Ordek' too. But you're right I did not check this one, I should have been more careful considering there are few Turkish loanwords in Persian... I may sound "biased" to you but the reality is that Turkish sounds like a cacophony of Persian and Arabic... those who know either of the languages can undestand what I mean.

But I wonder if 'Ordek' has a different origin considering it sounds to be a cognate with the English 'duck'?

[jgk3]

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seruven is right. I googled it and found a nice forum along the way that had a discussion on Turkish loanwords in Persian: http://www.how-to-learn-any-language...cyrillic&TPN=4

I'm going to browse through this forum now, it seems pretty interesting.

[seruven]

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Actually, ordak is a Persian word, meaning duck. So the 'Turkish' Ördek is a distorted form of the Persian Ordak, just like many of their words...

It's true that Turkish has taken many words from Persian (and also from Arabic). However, the word Ördek seems to be Turkish according to both the dictionary of the Turkish Language Association and the etymological dictionary of Turkish written by Sevan Nişanyan.

I don't know if you have checked the origin of the word from any sources before sending your post, but I guess you posted it just based on your biased opinions on Turks, Turkish language and culture. My apologies if I'm wrong.

[Lucin]

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Shahbaz (Persian: شَهباز) is the name of one special kind of bird, like the eagle or hawk. It is bigger than a hawk or falcon. The shahbaz lived in the Zagros, Alborz, and Ghafghaz mountains, famous mountains of Iran.

Shahbaz literally means 'king of falcons' or 'royal falcon'

Shahbaz is a fabled Bird. In old Persian mythology, Shahbaz is a god who helped the Iranians and guided Farvahar to Iran zamin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahbaz

Heres one definition

This is true. Shahbaz is a common surename among the Iranians as well as Shahbazian. Though Shahbaz is used as a first name too.

Ördek in Turkish means "duck". So your last name could be a modified form of that word that implies that somewhere down the line, your grandfather might've been some kind of duck farmer or something. This is just a guess.

Perhaps Seruven could elaborate.

Actually, ordak is a Persian word, meaning duck. So the 'Turkish' Ördek is a distorted form of the Persian Ordak, just like many of their words...

[Gavur]

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Shahbaz (Persian: شَهباز) is the name of one special kind of bird, like the eagle or hawk. It is bigger than a hawk or falcon. The shahbaz lived in the Zagros, Alborz, and Ghafghaz mountains, famous mountains of Iran.

Shahbaz literally means 'king of falcons' or 'royal falcon'

Shahbaz is a fabled Bird. In old Persian mythology, Shahbaz is a god who helped the Iranians and guided Farvahar to Iran zamin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahbaz

Heres one definition

[Yedtarts]

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That's really fascinating. Hope we'll have more surnames and origins. Mine was Chahbaz (sometimes spelt Shahbazian, etc) and I followed some suggestions a while ago, but more may come up. Oh what a tangled web....

My mother comes from Shahbaz or Shahbazian family; they say it was a noble’s family name, originly they were from Ani, they scaped to Cilicia and now it’s a village in north-westen Syria, called “Yacoubieh” later on they were called “Kassis” translated to Armenian it’s “Yeretsian”

[Moogey]

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Its a corrupted way of saying Erzurumlu, meaning one from Erzurum, could be changed from Erzurumluyan or whiteness and beauty is usually attributes of Circassians in that region .

That's really fascinating. Hope we'll have more surnames and origins. Mine was Chahbaz (sometimes spelt Shahbazian, etc) and I followed some suggestions a while ago, but more may come up. Oh what a tangled web....

[Gavur]

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Its a corrupted way of saying Erzurumlu, meaning one from Erzurum, could be changed from Erzurumluyan or whiteness and beauty is usually attributes of Circassians in that region .

[ara87]

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(I may have asked this before but i don't remember)

I have a last name I'm curious about too, "Ardhuerumly." It was the last name of an American girl i met, who called herself "princess jasmine" b/c she was an "Arabian" princess.

Her grandfather (or great grandfather?) was from Erzerum and moved here in the 60's and supposedly of high stature in the community. She's very white looking, blue eyes, blonde hair, and her father is a baptist minister, so I doubt they're turks, but she says they're not armos and their last name doesn't sound armo, could they be persian or something?