Origin of Armenian Surnames

[seruven]

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Actually, ordak is a Persian word, meaning duck. So the 'Turkish' Ördek is a distorted form of the Persian Ordak, just like many of their words...

It's true that Turkish has taken many words from Persian (and also from Arabic). However, the word Ördek seems to be Turkish according to both the dictionary of the Turkish Language Association and the etymological dictionary of Turkish written by Sevan Nişanyan.

I don't know if you have checked the origin of the word from any sources before sending your post, but I guess you posted it just based on your biased opinions on Turks, Turkish language and culture. My apologies if I'm wrong.

[jgk3]

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seruven is right. I googled it and found a nice forum along the way that had a discussion on Turkish loanwords in Persian: http://www.how-to-learn-any-language...cyrillic&TPN=4

I'm going to browse through this forum now, it seems pretty interesting.

[Lucin]

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It's true that Turkish has taken many words from Persian (and also from Arabic). However, the word Ördek seems to be Turkish according to both the dictionary of the Turkish Language Association and the etymological dictionary of Turkish written by Sevan Nişanyan.

I don't know if you have checked the origin of the word from any sources before sending your post, but I guess you posted it just based on your biased opinions on Turks, Turkish language and culture. My apologies if I'm wrong.

Turkish is crammed with so many Persian and Arabic words that I thought this may be the case for 'Ordek' too. But you're right I did not check this one, I should have been more careful considering there are few Turkish loanwords in Persian... I may sound "biased" to you but the reality is that Turkish sounds like a cacophony of Persian and Arabic... those who know either of the languages can undestand what I mean.

But I wonder if 'Ordek' has a different origin considering it sounds to be a cognate with the English 'duck'?

[KanadaHye]

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Ordaq is also a city in Iran.... my lastname is derived from a city in Turkey as well as my mother's maiden name.

Here is a map of the location http://www.maplandia.com/iran/zanjan/ordaq/ If you zoom out you can see its proximity to Armenia

[Sako]

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Could someone tell me where surnames like xxxoyan, Gomeshyan, and the most interesting ... Terkunyan ... originated from ? I really wanna know, lol.

[seruven]

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I may sound "biased" to you but the reality is that Turkish sounds like a cacophony of Persian and Arabic... those who know either of the languages can undestand what I mean.

I'm not into prolong this debate. But know that I don't agree with your statement about what Turkish sounds like. Sure Turkish took many words from these languages, which is OK for me, but IMO, it doesn't resemble or sound like Arabic at all. Note that though I'm not an Arabic speaker, I have been exposed to it for a long time.
I wonder whether your knowledge of Turkish is enough to make such certain assertions.

[KanadaHye]

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I'm not into prolong this debate. But know that I don't agree with your statement about what Turkish sounds like. Sure Turkish took many words from these languages, which is OK for me, but IMO, it doesn't resemble or sound like Arabic at all. Note that though I'm not an Arabic speaker, I have been exposed to it for a long time.
I wonder whether your knowledge of Turkish is enough to make such certain assertions.

Anyone that knows Arabic or Persian can probably pick up Turkish rather quickly... not sure how easy it is to go the other way.

[ara87]

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i agree with seruven, i don't speak Turkish or Arabic, but I've grown up listening to Arab songs, and other media, and i can always tell when someone is speaking Arabic, and when i hear Turkish it sounds very different to me.

I don't thinks stating where a word originated from matters that much anyways, otherwise half of any languages words, (or more), com from some other language down the line. If an armo's last name was Shakarian, you wouldn't "well shakar's not really an armo word, but a corrupted sanskrit one." The origin of the original word doesn't matter, the origin of the varient does. If someones last name was Azucarian(Shakarian) you'd know he or she came from a spanish speaking country, thus if it's a odrekian vs ordakian you'd know that one they had somethin to do with ducks, and two the location from which they came

[Palavra]

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Anyone that knows Arabic or Persian can probably pick up Turkish rather quickly... not sure how easy it is to go the other way.

Totally unrelated. Turkish vs arabic-persian(Infact, There is not any relation except some borrowed words.) is much less than english-french langauge.

Anyway, Turks did not loan much word from arab. It is persian which take words from arabic and Turks got these arabic words from persian...


Maybe you should listen an arabic and Turkish song.

[KanadaHye]

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Totally unrelated. Turkish vs arabic-persian(Infact, There is not any relation except some borrowed words.) is much less than english-french langauge.

Anyway, Turks did not loan much word from arab. It is persian which take words from arabic and Turks got these arabic words from persian...

Hey Palavra, did your great-great grandparents write in Farsi?