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    Who is Vasag (or Vasak) Syuni (or Syunik)

    Some claim Sarkisyan is the second Vasak Syuni. However, I could not find enough info about Syuni. It sounds like, probably he is known as a traitor. Can someone tell us, non-Armenians, more about him?
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    Re: Who is Vasag (or Vasak) Syuni (or Syunik)

    Vasak Syuni betrayed Vartan Mamikonian during the Battle of Avarayr and sided with the Persians, taking with him a unit of men.
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      Re: Who is Vasag (or Vasak) Syuni (or Syunik)

      Thanks.

      I searched the battle. From Wikipedia:

      The Battle of Avarayr (Persian: نبرد آوارایر , Armenian: Ավարայրի ճակատամարտ) (Avarayri chakatamart) also known as Battle of Vartanantz, was fought on May 26, 451 on the Avarayr Plain in Vaspurakan, between the Armenian Army under Saint Vartan and their Sassanid rulers. Although the Persians were victorious militarily, the Armenians were guaranteed religious freedom.
      The 66,000-strong Armenian army took Holy Communion before the battle. The army was a popular rising, not a professional force, but the Armenian nobility who led it were accomplished soldiers, many of them veterans of the Sassanid dynasty's wars with Rome; and both officers and men were motivated by a desire to save their religion and their way of life. The Persian army, said to be three times larger, included war elephants and the famous Savārān, or New Immortal, cavalry. Several Armenian noblemen with weak Christian sympathies, led by Vasag Suni, went over to the Persians before the battle, and fought on their side; in the battle, Vartan won initial successes, but was slain along with eight of his generals.
      Armenian resistance continued in the decades following the battle, led by Vartan's successor and nephew, Vahan Mamikonian. In 484 AD, Shah Peroz I signed the Nvarsak Treaty, which guaranteed religious freedom to the Christian Armenians [3] -- who were, however, no longer in communion with Rome or Constantinople -- and granted a general amnesty with permission to construct new churches. Thus, the Armenians see the Battle of Avarayr as a moral victory; May 26 is considered to be a holy day by Armenians, and is one of the most important national and religious days in Armenia.
      So if Persians won, and they wanted to seperate the Armenian and West churces.. it seems like they did. But why do you celebrate this as a holiday then?

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        Re: Who is Vasag (or Vasak) Syuni (or Syunik)

        It was like a Pyrrhic victory for us. We lost the battle but we won our right to our religion and autonomy.
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          Re: Who is Vasag (or Vasak) Syuni (or Syunik)

          But was not that what Persians also wanted to do at the beginning?

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            Re: Who is Vasag (or Vasak) Syuni (or Syunik)

            Good point Army but not quit accurate, Sassanids actually wanted to convert us back to Zoroastrianism (which wasn't a demand of the previous rulers of Persia).In this regard they failed and in the process slightly interrupted the natural flow of the world Christianity.
            "All truth passes through three stages:
            First, it is ridiculed;
            Second, it is violently opposed; and
            Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

            Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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              Re: Who is Vasag (or Vasak) Syuni (or Syunik)

              Originally posted by Army View Post
              Thanks.

              I searched the battle. From Wikipedia:







              So if Persians won, and they wanted to seperate the Armenian and West churces.. it seems like they did. But why do you celebrate this as a holiday then?
              I love the way this turk creates provocations.....
              He brought a citate from wiki with number of Armenian army and "forgot" to bring the part with number of Persian army.

              We celebrate it, turk, because we won it, we beated Persians morally ,we stood 1 against 20. So they had no chois us to give as autonomy.
              Last edited by Mukuch; 10-11-2009, 10:27 AM.

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                Re: Who is Vasag (or Vasak) Syuni (or Syunik)

                Originally posted by Mukuch View Post
                I love the way this turk creates provocations.....
                He brought a citate from wiki with number of Armenian army and "forgot" to bring the part with number of Persian army.

                We celebrate it, turk, because we won it, we beated Persians morally ,we stood 1 against 20. So they had no chois us to give as autonomy.
                Pof, you have an amazing skill of distorting.

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                  Re: Who is Vasag (or Vasak) Syuni (or Syunik)

                  There is something not clear to me, I always thought the Syuniks were always on the side of the Persians and they never converted to Christianity. And they were against choosing side with the Romans against the Persians.

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                    Re: Who is Vasag (or Vasak) Syuni (or Syunik)

                    Were Armenians also Zoroastrianist before Christianism?

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