Who is Vasag (or Vasak) Syuni (or Syunik)

[Army]

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Yeah, Medes is tough one to explain, as well as Parthians also Babylonians. Speaking of Babylonians. I read somewhere that Hayk from the house of Torghom lived in Babylon which was under the rule of Nimrod (Baal) and the house of Torghom were translators (Targhmanich,Torghmanich)to the Babylonian empire from father to son. For son reason one day Hayk picks up and leaves with his clan and Nimrod pursues after him because people could not understand each other anymore and there's kaos and work stoppage in the empire.And we all know what happened after that Hayk pierces Nimrods heart with hes arrow from a distance and Haykagan's stay in whats called Armenia from that day on in the land of milk and honey, untill...

Well you know the rest.

Is not that language-kaos a xxxish myth?

[Federate]

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Whay you are describing is the opposite of a Pyrrhic victory: the battle was lost but the war was won.

Yeah, that's what I meant. A pyrrhic victory for the Persians. Thanks Bell.

[Gavur]

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Is not that language-kaos a xxxish myth?

Sorry I misspelled Chaos(=a state of utter confusion)
In the bible it talks about Nimrod and the Chaos in Babylon but doesn't mention who slayed him, nor the reason for the Chaos.

[bell-the-cat]

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Yes, not popular now and I dont think any new publications tell about this theory. I think you need to know Turkish to read any sources about it. Probably no one translated them into English.

It was probably formulated as part of the Türk Tarih Tezi, "Turkish History Thesis", in the 1930s. That thesis is contained in a book titled "Türk Tarihinin Ana Hatlari" published in 1930. In it, the Hittites are claimed to be an ethnic sub-group of the Turkish race. I've read an article (in English) about the theory by a Turkish scholar named Can Erimtan titled "Hittites Ottomans and Turks: Agaoglu Ahmed Bey and the Kemalist construction of Turkish nationhood in Anatolia". But it does not specifically mention Urartians, only that the same Turkish claim is made for other ancient civilisations that existed in what is now the territory of Turkey. Those other civilisations included Urartu - but I'd like to locate a source that actually makes the "Urartian Turks" claim.

[bell-the-cat]

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Yeah, Medes is tough one to explain, as well as Parthians also Babylonians. Speaking of Babylonians. I read somewhere that Hayk from the house of Torghom lived in Babylon which was under the rule of Nimrod (Baal) and the house of Torghom were translators Targhmanich,Torghmanich)to the Babylonian empire from father to son.
For some reason one day, Hayk picks up and leaves with his clan, and Nimrod pursues after him because people could not understand each other anymore.So there's kaos and work stoppage in the empire and we all know what happened after that. Hayk pierces Nimrods heart with hes arrow from a distance and, Haykagan's stay in whats called Armenia from that day on in the land of milk and honey. Untill...

Well you know the rest.

"I read somewhere", i.e., it is no longer a tradition, not a living tale, but a dead story pulled from some book.

In some places it is still a living tradition. I remember in a village near the shores of Lake Van, in the shadow of the volcanic crater of Mount Nemrut (i.e. Nimrod), a Kurdish villager who spoke a bit of English comparing America to Babylon, president George Bush to Nimrod, and Bush's invasion of Iraq to Nimrod's ill-fated and over-reaching expedition.

[Gavur]

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"I read somewhere", i.e., it is no longer a tradition, not a living tale, but a dead story pulled from some book.

In some places it is still a living tradition. I remember in a village near the shores of Lake Van, in the shadow of the volcanic crater of Mount Nemrut (i.e. Nimrod), a Kurdish villager who spoke a bit of English comparing America to Babylon, president George Bush to Nimrod, and Bush's invasion of Iraq to Nimrod's ill-fated and over-reaching expedition.

I tried to slip through an uncited story and you catch me, why don't that surprise me.
Amazing after all this time, must of been a such an event, comparable to say the bombs dropped on Hiroshima,Nagasaki, the land echoes with the vibration of the Mega-event.

[KanadaHye]

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I tried to slip through an uncited story and you catch me, why don't that surprise me.
Amazing after all this time, must of been a such an event, comparable to say the bombs dropped on Hiroshima,Nagasaki, the land echoes with the vibration of the Mega-event.

Two words - Shock and Awe

I thought ancient Babylon was in Iraq and the Anti Christ was the first to rebuild Babylon... hmmpf. I would have liked to see G.W. hang in the hanging gardens but noooo.

[Army]

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It was probably formulated as part of the Türk Tarih Tezi, "Turkish History Thesis", in the 1930s. That thesis is contained in a book titled "Türk Tarihinin Ana Hatlari" published in 1930. In it, the Hittites are claimed to be an ethnic sub-group of the Turkish race. I've read an article (in English) about the theory by a Turkish scholar named Can Erimtan titled "Hittites Ottomans and Turks: Agaoglu Ahmed Bey and the Kemalist construction of Turkish nationhood in Anatolia". But it does not specifically mention Urartians, only that the same Turkish claim is made for other ancient civilisations that existed in what is now the territory of Turkey. Those other civilisations included Urartu - but I'd like to locate a source that actually makes the "Urartian Turks" claim.

Ah, I got it now. Well, Ive also never read anything about Urartus being Turkic. However, in middle-school history books that I've mentioned, they do not teach them as being Turkic. It is just the "History of Anatolia" before Turks.

[Davo88]

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Vasak Syuni? He is one of the multiple treasonous individuals who, for a few coins, had unfortunately chosen to serve the enemy instead of the Armenian nation.

In that list there is also Hovannes-Smbat who promised to hand our Bagratid Armenia to the Byzantines after his death, which didn't leave much chance to the last Armenian king who was supposed to inherit the kingdom.

To that list joins today Serge Sargsyan and Edouard Nalbandian.

[Gavur]

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Vasak Syuni? He is one of the multiple treasonous individuals who, for a few coins, had unfortunately chosen to serve the enemy instead of the Armenian nation.

There's of course a counter argument that he was a shrewd politician who also was a patriot, played both sides till the end for the country's sake.I totally disagree !

A leader is not supposed to "manage' a crisis.They are supposed to take a moral and a ethical stand, because you lie down with swine, you'll get up smelling like pork chops.I will take a stand with anyone any race or creed, as long as its a moral and ethical stand (that seem to carry no currency no more).First thing we must do as a nation is to end (starting with ourselves) this prevailing cynicism, no matter what the odds are of success, defend our core values.