Caucasian Albania

[lampron]

Re: Caucasian Albania

Perhaps it's true that some Tartars have Caucasian Albanian ancestry, but I believe some Armenians in Artsakh and Armenia do as well. However, to me, emphasizing their Albanian ancestry is like emphasizing that some of the Crusaders have Arab, Greek, or Turkish blood. It does not change the fact that Azerbaijan is an alien entity to the region compared to Armenia or Georgia.

as a political entity, yes Azerbaijan started its existence in 1918.

But many countries in Africa, the Middle East (UAE) did not exist in 1918 but they are sovereign states now with their own flags and nationalisms. pakistan did not exist.

As to the term "Tatars", there were the original Mongol-Tatars who came from Central Asia and Mongolia and went as far as Poland and also took Persia, Afghanistan,parts of India , invaded Anatolia and the Middle east.

In Russia today there is the tatarstan republic.

But today's 'Azeris', may or may not be related to them. 'Tatars' might have been a generic term for Shia Moslems who spoke a Turkish dialect. Who exactly were the 'caucasian Tatars', we may not know

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Caucasian Albania

Have any of the original Caucasian Albanians survived?

The Udi

Though Norwegian fascists and a number of mentally ill Norwegians think the Udi are actually Norwegian.

[Davo88]

Re: Caucasian Albania

Turkic tribes of Central Asia were nomadic and warlike barbarians similar to the Mongols. Contrarily to the Arabs who wanted to spread the "truth" of Islam by converting other populations, and in search of better pastoral lands for their horses, the Turks migrated by waging wars against indigenous populations.

As the Chinese said :
"in search of water and pasture and have no walled cities or fixed dwellings, nor do they engage in any kind of agriculture ... in periods of crisis they take up arms and go off on plundering and marauding expeditions."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_migrations

This is the true origin of current Azerbaijan...

[Davo88]

Re: Caucasian Albania

The Udi

Though Norwegian fascists and a number of mentally ill Norwegians think the Udi are actually Norwegian.

It is as blasphemous as the claims made by certain Azeri sources that Karabakh Armenians are of Albanian origin, and since Azerbaijan allegedly has Albanian ancestry, Karabakh should be part of Azerbaijan.

[lampron]

Re: Caucasian Albania

Turkic tribes of Central Asia were nomadic and warlike barbarians similar to the Mongols. Contrarily to the Arabs who wanted to spread the "truth" of Islam by converting other populations, and in search of better pastoral lands for their horses, the Turks migrated by waging wars against indigenous populations.


This is the true origin of current Azerbaijan...

you seem to use Tatars and Turks interchangeably but they are not always the same. 'Turks' is also a generic word describing many nationalities in the Ottoman empire not only originally from Central Asia and Mongolia, but those who converted to Islam and then started speaking a dialect of Turkish

Aliyev, the 'Azeri' dictator recently claimed the whole of Armenia and the region of Surmalu which is now in Turkey. The region around Kars had many Tatars before Mustafa Kemal captured it from Armenia

Both 'Turks' and Tatars originally were nomadic herdsmen you are correct. But after centuries of co-existence with civilizations in Anatolia and the Caucasus they have learned many of the skills and trades of the orginal populations.

As I mentioned in another thread many Turkish and 'Azeri' businessmen have become successful. The Moscow-based restaurant chain Shesh-Besh is said to belong to 'Azeri' businessmen.

[lampron]

Re: Caucasian Albania

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXjNWWt4OSs

in Baku it was a massacre, not war

[Davo88]

Re: Caucasian Albania

A massacre indeed... He also forgets to mention another example of Azerbaijani "tolerance": the recent destruction of Armenian cross-stones in Nakhichevan, historic Armenian land.

Yet, on his main page it is written that he is in prison.

[lampron]

Re: Caucasian Albania

It looks as if he faces the prospect of a prison term, maybe for speaking against the regime.

On the question of the so-called Azeris, and their origins it seems that they are mostly descended from Persians who were Turkified starting from the 16th century. Turco-Tatars and Turkified Albanians and Armenians are also part of their makeup

Strange, that the international media has never discussed their origins

[Davo88]

Re: Caucasian Albania

More Azeri lies : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7vifs6xQc4

[SevSpitak]

Re: Caucasian Albania

Perhaps it's true that some Tartars have Caucasian Albanian ancestry, but I believe some Armenians in Artsakh and Armenia do as well. However, to me, emphasizing their Albanian ancestry is like emphasizing that some of the Crusaders have Arab, Greek, or Turkish blood. It does not change the fact that Azerbaijan is an alien entity to the region compared to Armenia or Georgia.

Caucasian Albanians are no more to Azerbaijan (rep. of) than Cappadocians are to Turkey (rep. of).

Cappadocians' blood runs in Turks' veins. That's all. There is no cultural, linguistic, religious, etc. continuity between them. The exact same applies to Caucasian Ablanians and Azeris.

Caucasian Albania is used by Azeris to have eligibility in historical claims to the same extent as Armenians.

Yes, some Caucasian Ablanians live today as Azeris, but the nation itself, back then, wasn't homogenous (which is why it was so easily eliminated). They were assimilated by the larger neighboring nations once they lost their kingdom, most notably Armenians, Georgians, Iranians, Azarbaijanis, Khazar Turks and Ak/Kara Koyunlu Turks. Armenians & Georgians can claim Albanian heritage as much as Azerbaijanis can, or even more since they were Christian, and used a similar alphabet to Armenian and Old Georgian.

All in all, "Caucasian Albania = Azerbaijan" is another sickeningly desperate attempt to appear fair.

The DNA of Azerbaijanis (rep.) don't match the DNA of Azerbaijanis (Iran), and are closer to Georgians, Armenians and Turks (rep.). They don't know who they really are, and so, when it is appropriate, depending on their situation, they are Turks or Atropatenians or Albanians, etc.