Announcement

Collapse

Forum Rules (Everyone Must Read!!!)

1] What you CAN NOT post.

You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this forum to post any material which is:
- abusive
- vulgar
- hateful
- harassing
- personal attacks
- obscene

You also may not:
- post images that are too large (max is 500*500px)
- post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or cited properly.
- post in UPPER CASE, which is considered yelling
- post messages which insult the Armenians, Armenian culture, traditions, etc
- post racist or other intentionally insensitive material that insults or attacks another culture (including Turks)

The Ankap thread is excluded from the strict rules because that place is more relaxed and you can vent and engage in light insults and humor. Notice it's not a blank ticket, but just a place to vent. If you go into the Ankap thread, you enter at your own risk of being clowned on.
What you PROBABLY SHOULD NOT post...
Do not post information that you will regret putting out in public. This site comes up on Google, is cached, and all of that, so be aware of that as you post. Do not ask the staff to go through and delete things that you regret making available on the web for all to see because we will not do it. Think before you post!


2] Use descriptive subject lines & research your post. This means use the SEARCH.

This reduces the chances of double-posting and it also makes it easier for people to see what they do/don't want to read. Using the search function will identify existing threads on the topic so we do not have multiple threads on the same topic.

3] Keep the focus.

Each forum has a focus on a certain topic. Questions outside the scope of a certain forum will either be moved to the appropriate forum, closed, or simply be deleted. Please post your topic in the most appropriate forum. Users that keep doing this will be warned, then banned.

4] Behave as you would in a public location.

This forum is no different than a public place. Behave yourself and act like a decent human being (i.e. be respectful). If you're unable to do so, you're not welcome here and will be made to leave.

5] Respect the authority of moderators/admins.

Public discussions of moderator/admin actions are not allowed on the forum. It is also prohibited to protest moderator actions in titles, avatars, and signatures. If you don't like something that a moderator did, PM or email the moderator and try your best to resolve the problem or difference in private.

6] Promotion of sites or products is not permitted.

Advertisements are not allowed in this venue. No blatant advertising or solicitations of or for business is prohibited.
This includes, but not limited to, personal resumes and links to products or
services with which the poster is affiliated, whether or not a fee is charged
for the product or service. Spamming, in which a user posts the same message repeatedly, is also prohibited.

7] We retain the right to remove any posts and/or Members for any reason, without prior notice.


- PLEASE READ -

Members are welcome to read posts and though we encourage your active participation in the forum, it is not required. If you do participate by posting, however, we expect that on the whole you contribute something to the forum. This means that the bulk of your posts should not be in "fun" threads (e.g. Ankap, Keep & Kill, This or That, etc.). Further, while occasionally it is appropriate to simply voice your agreement or approval, not all of your posts should be of this variety: "LOL Member213!" "I agree."
If it is evident that a member is simply posting for the sake of posting, they will be removed.


8] These Rules & Guidelines may be amended at any time. (last update September 17, 2009)

If you believe an individual is repeatedly breaking the rules, please report to admin/moderator.
See more
See less

Caucasian Albania

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #21
    Re: Caucasian Albania

    Originally posted by Davo88 View Post
    Perhaps it's true that some Tartars have Caucasian Albanian ancestry, but I believe some Armenians in Artsakh and Armenia do as well. However, to me, emphasizing their Albanian ancestry is like emphasizing that some of the Crusaders have Arab, Greek, or Turkish blood. It does not change the fact that Azerbaijan is an alien entity to the region compared to Armenia or Georgia.
    as a political entity, yes Azerbaijan started its existence in 1918.

    But many countries in Africa, the Middle East (UAE) did not exist in 1918 but they are sovereign states now with their own flags and nationalisms. pakistan did not exist.

    As to the term "Tatars", there were the original Mongol-Tatars who came from Central Asia and Mongolia and went as far as Poland and also took Persia, Afghanistan,parts of India , invaded Anatolia and the Middle east.

    In Russia today there is the tatarstan republic.

    But today's 'Azeris', may or may not be related to them. 'Tatars' might have been a generic term for Shia Moslems who spoke a Turkish dialect. Who exactly were the 'caucasian Tatars', we may not know

    Comment


    • #22
      Re: Caucasian Albania

      Originally posted by lampron View Post
      Have any of the original Caucasian Albanians survived?
      The Udi

      Though Norwegian fascists and a number of mentally ill Norwegians think the Udi are actually Norwegian.
      Plenipotentiary meow!

      Comment


      • #23
        Re: Caucasian Albania

        Turkic tribes of Central Asia were nomadic and warlike barbarians similar to the Mongols. Contrarily to the Arabs who wanted to spread the "truth" of Islam by converting other populations, and in search of better pastoral lands for their horses, the Turks migrated by waging wars against indigenous populations.

        As the Chinese said :
        "in search of water and pasture and have no walled cities or fixed dwellings, nor do they engage in any kind of agriculture ... in periods of crisis they take up arms and go off on plundering and marauding expeditions."


        This is the true origin of current Azerbaijan...

        Comment


        • #24
          Re: Caucasian Albania

          Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
          The Udi

          Though Norwegian fascists and a number of mentally ill Norwegians think the Udi are actually Norwegian.
          It is as blasphemous as the claims made by certain Azeri sources that Karabakh Armenians are of Albanian origin, and since Azerbaijan allegedly has Albanian ancestry, Karabakh should be part of Azerbaijan.

          Comment


          • #25
            Re: Caucasian Albania

            Originally posted by Davo88 View Post
            Turkic tribes of Central Asia were nomadic and warlike barbarians similar to the Mongols. Contrarily to the Arabs who wanted to spread the "truth" of Islam by converting other populations, and in search of better pastoral lands for their horses, the Turks migrated by waging wars against indigenous populations.


            This is the true origin of current Azerbaijan...
            you seem to use Tatars and Turks interchangeably but they are not always the same. 'Turks' is also a generic word describing many nationalities in the Ottoman empire not only originally from Central Asia and Mongolia, but those who converted to Islam and then started speaking a dialect of Turkish

            Aliyev, the 'Azeri' dictator recently claimed the whole of Armenia and the region of Surmalu which is now in Turkey. The region around Kars had many Tatars before Mustafa Kemal captured it from Armenia

            Both 'Turks' and Tatars originally were nomadic herdsmen you are correct. But after centuries of co-existence with civilizations in Anatolia and the Caucasus they have learned many of the skills and trades of the orginal populations.

            As I mentioned in another thread many Turkish and 'Azeri' businessmen have become successful. The Moscow-based restaurant chain Shesh-Besh is said to belong to 'Azeri' businessmen.

            Comment


            • #26
              Re: Caucasian Albania

              Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

              in Baku it was a massacre, not war

              Comment


              • #27
                Re: Caucasian Albania

                A massacre indeed... He also forgets to mention another example of Azerbaijani "tolerance": the recent destruction of Armenian cross-stones in Nakhichevan, historic Armenian land.

                Yet, on his main page it is written that he is in prison.

                Comment


                • #28
                  Re: Caucasian Albania

                  It looks as if he faces the prospect of a prison term, maybe for speaking against the regime.

                  On the question of the so-called Azeris, and their origins it seems that they are mostly descended from Persians who were Turkified starting from the 16th century. Turco-Tatars and Turkified Albanians and Armenians are also part of their makeup

                  Strange, that the international media has never discussed their origins

                  Comment


                  • #29
                    Re: Caucasian Albania

                    More Azeri lies : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7vifs6xQc4

                    Comment


                    • #30
                      Re: Caucasian Albania

                      Originally posted by Davo88 View Post
                      Perhaps it's true that some Tartars have Caucasian Albanian ancestry, but I believe some Armenians in Artsakh and Armenia do as well. However, to me, emphasizing their Albanian ancestry is like emphasizing that some of the Crusaders have Arab, Greek, or Turkish blood. It does not change the fact that Azerbaijan is an alien entity to the region compared to Armenia or Georgia.
                      Caucasian Albanians are no more to Azerbaijan (rep. of) than Cappadocians are to Turkey (rep. of).

                      Cappadocians' blood runs in Turks' veins. That's all. There is no cultural, linguistic, religious, etc. continuity between them. The exact same applies to Caucasian Ablanians and Azeris.

                      Caucasian Albania is used by Azeris to have eligibility in historical claims to the same extent as Armenians.

                      Yes, some Caucasian Ablanians live today as Azeris, but the nation itself, back then, wasn't homogenous (which is why it was so easily eliminated). They were assimilated by the larger neighboring nations once they lost their kingdom, most notably Armenians, Georgians, Iranians, Azarbaijanis, Khazar Turks and Ak/Kara Koyunlu Turks. Armenians & Georgians can claim Albanian heritage as much as Azerbaijanis can, or even more since they were Christian, and used a similar alphabet to Armenian and Old Georgian.

                      All in all, "Caucasian Albania = Azerbaijan" is another sickeningly desperate attempt to appear fair.

                      The DNA of Azerbaijanis (rep.) don't match the DNA of Azerbaijanis (Iran), and are closer to Georgians, Armenians and Turks (rep.). They don't know who they really are, and so, when it is appropriate, depending on their situation, they are Turks or Atropatenians or Albanians, etc.

                      Comment

                      Working...
                      X