Caucasian Albania

[Artashes]

Re: Caucasian Albania

Don't have much time but forgot couple points.
Look to the 7th century bc for first old Albanian appearance then look to our battles with invaders of time period.
When Udi's first mention themselves look to our first troubles with Parth/ Pers types.
When Talish, Lisgan first appear look to our first troubles with turcos.
When I said to look at faces in modern Albania I meant the lighter ones. It's very clear and easy to decern.
Udi has in same family dark haired , dark eyed ( that's the latter Iranic admixture .

[Artashes]

Re: Caucasian Albania

A lot of info above this post but confusing in its presentation.
Too many points scattered to answer or elaborate without first arranging all points coherently .
To make the Albanian/ Udi/ Talish/ Lizgan/---baboon---/ point clear:
The Albanians ( not what they were called then ) came in the back side of what is now called Georgia.
That is to say the watershed between Georgia and the Caspian.
They met us. Fights were fought. We ere pushed back but many scattered were isolated and remained or a long time. After agreements were made and deals were struck a time of relative peace occurred.
Then deals were broken and they pushed into Artsakh and bit further. Then we finally drove them out of Artsakh. Look to Prince Arran for that time frame.
Udi are a mix of those Albanians and a precursor Iranic people's that preceded Parthia/ Persia.
They ( the Udi will tell you hat themselves.
The others--- Talish, Lizgan etc. are Udi plus turco for a three people mix.
If you go to Udi ( about 10,000 left ) and look at their faces you clearly see two disparate peoples.
Go to Albania (modern ) and see identicle faces.
There is more but I have to go.
None of this is hard to find

[Artashes]

Re: Caucasian Albania

I have to start driving now so will need to wait before I can rewrite all words that didn't appear previously.
Artashes

[Artashes]

Re: Caucasian Albania

In regard t Udis, Talish and others in that region---
You need to actually talk to the Udi's and parse their words carefully and then run a comparative analysis with our battles of that time frame to see who those people are.
Godda&nit,I just wrote many words and this is all that came out!
I ounce went out with a dumb cun?.
That ended when I sobered up.
Artashes

[KanadaHye]

Re: Caucasian Albania

One of the most authoritative Armenian scholars, Ronald Grigor Suny described in his book "Looking Toward Ararat" (London, 1986, p.82) the borders of Arshakuni (Arsacid) Armenian kingdom (52 A.D.-428 A.D.), which was a Roman and Persian vassal, as reaching their most Northern point to the west of Sevan lake whilst occupying only two thirds of present day Zangezur to the east.

you must go and learn true history

Authoritative my a$$. This schmuck sounds like the typical western funded jacka$$ that will write and preach anything for the right price.

[ninetoyadome]

Re: Caucasian Albania

A lot of garbage in that post, but if Pushkin really said this, there is some truth in that many Armenians have a slave mentality, after centuries of foreign rule but to some degree this applies to most conquered nations, including Estonians, Latvians, Greeks, Georgians even Tatars (who today call themselves "Azeris")

The truth about that quote is Pushkin wrote it in his book where a Chechen father calls his son a coward, an Armenian because like Armenians the son didnt kill an innocent person. azeris forget to mention that part. they are just that ignorant they are unable to read the whole paragraph of the book, its kind of sad and pathetic they keep resorting to falsifications: this quote, the Zori Balayan book (which he came out saying he never wrote), creating fake people to justify there idiotic lie that is khojaly. its pretty sad.

[lampron]

Re: Caucasian Albania

I didn't know the Tatars were such great fans of Dr Bournoutian

The Massacres of 1894-1896 and the genocide of the Armenians in Turkey in 1915 drove even more immigrants to America.

[Mukuch]

Re: Caucasian Albania

SOURCE: http://www.armenianheritage.com/peorigin.htm

As with many ancient peoples, the origin of the Armenians contains elements of myth and unresolved scholarly arguments. Many historians give a rather over-simplified account of the origin of the Armenian people. According to the Greek Historian, Herodotus, the Armenians had originally lived in Thrace from where they crossed to Phrygia in Asia Minor and had then gradually moved west of the Euphrates River to what became Armenia. The Historian states that Armenians came from two directions, one group from the west, or Phrygia, and the other from the Southeast, or the Mesopotamian and Zagros region. In other words, according to the ancient Greeks, the Armenians were not the original inhabitants of the region.
Other Historians indicate that from the ninth to the sixth centuries B.C., a large part of historical Armenia, called Ararat by its contemporary neighbors, comprised the Kingdom of Urartu. This Kingdom disintegrated during the middle of the sixth century whereupon the native tribes, including the Armen and the Nayiri groups were unified and became part of the dominant Hayassa group.

Their Indo-European language was imposed on the conquered Urartuans, who spoke a non-Aryan language. Thus did the Armenian Nation take form, its people being the political, ethnic, and cultural successors to the Hurrians, pre-Hittites, Hayassas, Nayiris and Urartuans. This newly formed nation was called "Hai" after the name of the Hayassa tribal federation and the country "Hayastan". The neighboring peoples called the Armenians "Armen" and their country "Armenia" after the Armens.

The "Armenian version" of the origins of the Armenian people, which was written between the fifth and eight centuries A.D., describes the Armenian people as being descendants of Japeth, a son of Noah. After the Ark had landed on Mt. Ararat, Noah’s family settled first in Armenia and generations later moved south to the land of Babylon. The leader of the Armenians, Haik, a descendant of Japeth, unhappy with the tyranny and evil in Babylon, rebelled and decided to return to the land of the Ark.

The evil Bel, leader of the Babylonians, pursued Haik. In the ensuing war, good conquered evil when Haik killed Bel and created an Armenian Nation. Haik became the first Armenian ruler and his sons continued to lead the Armenians until King Paruir, a descendant of Haik, formed the first Kingdom of Armenia.

The first Armenian settlers came to America as early as the seventeenth century. Thereafter, bands of Armenian workers, merchants and students arrived initially in small numbers toward the end of the nineteenth century. The Massacres of 1894-1896 and the genocide of the Armenians in Turkey in 1915 drove even more immigrants to America.

Today, Armenians can be found in every corner of the globe. Although, the Armenian people are a very small ethnic group, Armenians have made significant contributions in every field of endeavor. Long known as excellent educators, scientists, artisans, musicians, and merchants, Armenians have used their skills to benefit the countries that have given them a home.



A History of the Armenian People, Volume I, Pre-History to 1500 A.D., by George A. Bournoutian

What this all got to do with TATARO_TURKOID azerbajanies ?

[Mukuch]

Re: Caucasian Albania

Then surely the answer is to compose a sharp, concise, response that exposes what is false, that destroyes it all, blow-by-blow. Then follow around the copypasting of him and those like him and post that response as a reply to his postings. With your previous posts on this thread you seem to be well on the way to doing it already. Just don't let those two trolls have any input in the writing of the response.

Very well done Bell.... but I wonder why a competent guy like yourself wouldnt try to do it by self?

[Mukuch]

Re: Caucasian Albania

It is pitty azeris didnt exist in the time of Pushkin, I wonder what he would say? LOL