Caucasian Albania

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Caucasian Albania

Even if Armenians came from Phyrgia, we were still there many centuries before the turks came and before the formation of the caucasian tatars as a cohesive ethnic group in the 16th century.

With that comment you are again the troll in this thread.

You do not understand the point of Raynec's propaganda. He/she/it is trying to prove that Armenians are not native to the Nagorno Karabakh region and that "Caucasian Albanians" are, and that the descendants of the Caucasian Albanians are a substantial part of the modern Azeri nation.

[ninetoyadome]

Re: Caucasian Albania

That website belongs to the Azeri-American lobbyist Adil Baguirov, who we met in that ANCA video at the Artsakh conference and a quick Google search on "Raynec" reveals some informative stuff on this character.

not surprised that baguirov is responsible for that website. First they claim Artsakh is a name created by Armenians and never existed, now he claims Artsakh is an Albanian word so it proves its azeri.

[Federate]

Re: Caucasian Albania

he copy pastes his stuff from here

http://www.zerbaijan.com/albania/caucasian-albania.html

most azeris will just keep copy pasting even though it doesnt make sense

That website belongs to the Azeri-American lobbyist Adil Baguirov, who we met in that ANCA video at the Artsakh conference and a quick Google search on "Raynec" reveals some informative stuff on this character.

[ninetoyadome]

Re: Caucasian Albania

you kidding me?

he copy pastes his stuff from here

http://www.zerbaijan.com/albania/caucasian-albania.html

most azeris will just keep copy pasting even though it doesnt make sense

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Caucasian Albania

One of the most authoritative Armenian scholars, Ronald Grigor Suny described in his book "Looking Toward Ararat" (London, 1986, p.82) the borders of Arshakuni (Arsacid) Armenian kingdom (52 A.D.-428 A.D.), which was a Roman and Persian vassal, as reaching their most Northern point to the west of Sevan lake whilst occupying only two thirds of present day Zangezur to the east.

you must go and learn true history

you kidding me?

[ninetoyadome]

Re: Caucasian Albania

“The name “Azerbaijan” for the Republic of Azerbaijan (Soviet Azerbaijan) was selected on the assumption that the stationing of such as republic would lead to that entity Iranian to become one…this is the reason why the name “Azerbaijan” was selected (for Arran)…anytime when it is necessary to select a name that refers to the territory of the Republic of Azerbaijan, we should/can select the name Arran…”
Quote from Bartold, Soviet academic, politician and foreign office official. See Bartold, V.V., Sochineniia, Tom II, Chast I, Izdatelstvo Vostochnoi Literary, p.217, 1963.

Ptolemy
In his description of Armenia, Ptolemy writes "The greater Armenia borders Colchida, Iberia (Georgia) and Albania (Aghvank) along the River Kur". Elsewhere he adds: "Albania (Aghvank) shares its border in the south with Armenia and Iberia... The cities and villages of Albania (Aghvank) are situated between Iberia and a river that flows from the Caucasus Mountains and joins the River Kur. This river stretches all along Iberia and Albania (Aghvank) and separates them from Armenia".

Plutarch
Plutarch's Lives contains material dealing with Aghvank such as military aid to Tigran the Great of Armenia by Aghvan tribes. Describing Pompey's invasion of Aghbank, their permission to allow the Romans to cross Aghvank and the subsequent, sudden Aghvan rebellion against the Romans, he mentions place names and as it appears from his writings, the rivers Arax and Kur did not meet and Arax flowed into the Caspian without mixing with River Kur. This confirms that Armenia's easternmost border stretched to the Caspian. Mar Anthony's one hundred thousand strong army faced fierce resistance from Phraates in Atrpatakan and according to Plutarch after suffering heavy casualties the Romans crossed the Arax River into Armenia. This confirms that first: the Arax River was (and still is) the border between Atrpatakan and Armenia and second: there was no "azerbaijan" north of the Arax River and third: the two regions north and south of the Arax River were distinct, unrelated and never two parts of a single "azerbaijan".

[Armanen]

Re: Caucasian Albania

One of the most authoritative Armenian scholars, Ronald Grigor Suny described in his book "Looking Toward Ararat" (London, 1986, p.82) the borders of Arshakuni (Arsacid) Armenian kingdom (52 A.D.-428 A.D.), which was a Roman and Persian vassal, as reaching their most Northern point to the west of Sevan lake whilst occupying only two thirds of present day Zangezur to the east.

you must go and learn true history

He is not an authoritative 'Armenian' scholar. He is an idiot and was chased out of Yerevan a few years ago for his bs views, which is what they are, instead of facts, on Armenian history. How about you find some non-azeri sources that show the caucasian tatars being an ethnic group prior to the 16th century? In the 16th century Armenians had already existed for nearly 3,500 years!

[Mukuch]

Re: Caucasian Albania

One of the most authoritative Armenian scholars, Ronald Grigor Suny described in his book "Looking Toward Ararat" (London, 1986, p.82) the borders of Arshakuni (Arsacid) Armenian kingdom (52 A.D.-428 A.D.), which was a Roman and Persian vassal, as reaching their most Northern point to the west of Sevan lake whilst occupying only two thirds of present day Zangezur to the east.

you must go and learn true history

I wonder who was ocupying the rest? Median Turks I guess? )))

[Raynec]

Re: Caucasian Albania

I rest my case.You really should learn history and know the borders of Armenia trough the ages

One of the most authoritative Armenian scholars, Ronald Grigor Suny described in his book "Looking Toward Ararat" (London, 1986, p.82) the borders of Arshakuni (Arsacid) Armenian kingdom (52 A.D.-428 A.D.), which was a Roman and Persian vassal, as reaching their most Northern point to the west of Sevan lake whilst occupying only two thirds of present day Zangezur to the east.

you must go and learn true history

[Mukuch]

Re: Caucasian Albania

Armenians came from Phyrgia to Western Anatolia .Not Caucasus before 18 century.

"1 million out of 1 million and 300 thousand of Armenians, residing in Transcaucasia were not aboriginal residents and they came there from our lands."
N.I.Shavrov. New challenges to Russian business in the Transcaucasus - upcoming sale of Mugan to aliens. S-Petersburg. 1911, p. 59-61.

Another respected and well-known Armenian scholar, Dr. George Bournoutian writes:

"prior to the Russian conquest the Armenians accounted for some 20 percent of the total population of Eastern Armenia, and the Muslims (Azerbaijani) 80 percent; following Russian annexation, 57,000 Armenian immigrants arrived from Persia and the Ottoman Empire and 35,000 Muslims emigrated from Eastern Armenia. By 1832, therefore, the Armenians formed...half of the population".

"The Ethnic Composition and the Socioconomic Condition of Eastern Armenia in the First Half of the Nineteenth Century," in Suny, _Transcaucasia_, 79; see also Bournoutian, _Eastern Armenia in the Last Decades of Persian Rule, 1807-1928: A Political and Socio-Economic Study of the Khanate of Erivan on the Eve of the Russian Conquest_ (Malibu. Calif.:Undena Publications, 1982), p. 76.

According to Encyclopędia Britannica:' 'The Azerbaijanis are of mixed ethnic origin, the oldest element deriving from the indigenous population of eastern Transcaucasia and possibly from the Medians of northern İran. This population was Persianized during the period of the Sasanian dynasty of Iran (3rd–7th century AD), but, after the region's conquest by the Seljuq Turks in the 11th century, the inhabitants were Turkicized, and further Turkicization of the population occurred in the ensuing centuries.

Well I come to only possible conclusion.... AZERBAJANI-TATARO-TURKOID tribes themself do not know where they come from and who they are... what a shame, must be so horible to be a bastard of humanity.