Caucasian Albania

[lampron]

Re: Caucasian Albania

“You are coward, you are slave – you are Armenian!” – says Pushkin.

A lot of garbage in that post, but if Pushkin really said this, there is some truth in that many Armenians have a slave mentality, after centuries of foreign rule but to some degree this applies to most conquered nations, including Estonians, Latvians, Greeks, Georgians even Tatars (who today call themselves "Azeris")

[ninetoyadome]

Re: Caucasian Albania

I have copied part of about origin
And look this maps,Hayasa grup are not live in the present day Armenia and Caucasus.Hayasians are ethnic grup in North west Urartu.

That part was known as Lesser Armenia:

[Raynec]

Re: Caucasian Albania

azeris claim to have been in the region longer than Armenians, can you post anything about a historian talking about azerbaijan? Did Herodotus talk about azerbaijan? Did Strabo, Pliny, Plutarch, etc. talk about azerbaijan? the first mention of azerbaijan was in the 19-20th centuries.
Also why didnt you underline the other part?
keep copy pasting

I have copied part of about origin
And look this maps,Hayasa grup are not live in the present day Armenia and Caucasus.Hayasians are ethnic grup in North west Urartu.

[ninetoyadome]

Re: Caucasian Albania

azeris claim to have been in the region longer than Armenians, can you post anything about a historian talking about azerbaijan? Did Herodotus talk about azerbaijan? Did Strabo, Pliny, Plutarch, etc. talk about azerbaijan? the first mention of azerbaijan was in the 19-20th centuries.
Also why didnt you underline the other part?

Other Historians indicate that from the ninth to the sixth centuries B.C., a large part of historical Armenia, called Ararat by its contemporary neighbors, comprised the Kingdom of Urartu. This Kingdom disintegrated during the middle of the sixth century whereupon the native tribes, including the Armen and the Nayiri groups were unified and became part of the dominant Hayassa group.

keep copy pasting

[Raynec]

Re: Caucasian Albania

SOURCE: http://www.armenianheritage.com/peorigin.htm

As with many ancient peoples, the origin of the Armenians contains elements of myth and unresolved scholarly arguments. Many historians give a rather over-simplified account of the origin of the Armenian people. According to the Greek Historian, Herodotus, the Armenians had originally lived in Thrace from where they crossed to Phrygia in Asia Minor and had then gradually moved west of the Euphrates River to what became Armenia. The Historian states that Armenians came from two directions, one group from the west, or Phrygia, and the other from the Southeast, or the Mesopotamian and Zagros region. In other words, according to the ancient Greeks, the Armenians were not the original inhabitants of the region.
Other Historians indicate that from the ninth to the sixth centuries B.C., a large part of historical Armenia, called Ararat by its contemporary neighbors, comprised the Kingdom of Urartu. This Kingdom disintegrated during the middle of the sixth century whereupon the native tribes, including the Armen and the Nayiri groups were unified and became part of the dominant Hayassa group.

Their Indo-European language was imposed on the conquered Urartuans, who spoke a non-Aryan language. Thus did the Armenian Nation take form, its people being the political, ethnic, and cultural successors to the Hurrians, pre-Hittites, Hayassas, Nayiris and Urartuans. This newly formed nation was called "Hai" after the name of the Hayassa tribal federation and the country "Hayastan". The neighboring peoples called the Armenians "Armen" and their country "Armenia" after the Armens.

The "Armenian version" of the origins of the Armenian people, which was written between the fifth and eight centuries A.D., describes the Armenian people as being descendants of Japeth, a son of Noah. After the Ark had landed on Mt. Ararat, Noah’s family settled first in Armenia and generations later moved south to the land of Babylon. The leader of the Armenians, Haik, a descendant of Japeth, unhappy with the tyranny and evil in Babylon, rebelled and decided to return to the land of the Ark.

The evil Bel, leader of the Babylonians, pursued Haik. In the ensuing war, good conquered evil when Haik killed Bel and created an Armenian Nation. Haik became the first Armenian ruler and his sons continued to lead the Armenians until King Paruir, a descendant of Haik, formed the first Kingdom of Armenia.

The first Armenian settlers came to America as early as the seventeenth century. Thereafter, bands of Armenian workers, merchants and students arrived initially in small numbers toward the end of the nineteenth century. The Massacres of 1894-1896 and the genocide of the Armenians in Turkey in 1915 drove even more immigrants to America.

Today, Armenians can be found in every corner of the globe. Although, the Armenian people are a very small ethnic group, Armenians have made significant contributions in every field of endeavor. Long known as excellent educators, scientists, artisans, musicians, and merchants, Armenians have used their skills to benefit the countries that have given them a home.



A History of the Armenian People, Volume I, Pre-History to 1500 A.D., by George A. Bournoutian

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Caucasian Albania

And more trolls - this one with a silly, childish, propaganda map that is every bit as fake as its Azeri counterparts. Does anyone really think a map like that can "rest the case"?

You think I'm going to waste my time to find a really rebuttal to his BS I've got better things to do with my time. The thing is I used to do that but now why bother they don't care what you post if he wanted to discuss the topic seriously I would but he doesn't want that so why should I bother and waste my time.

[lampron]

Re: Caucasian Albania

You do not understand the point of Raynec's propaganda. He/she/it is trying to prove that Armenians are not native to the Nagorno Karabakh region and that "Caucasian Albanians" are, and that the descendants of the Caucasian Albanians are a substantial part of the modern Azeri nation.

Here is a question: If today's "Azerbaijan republic" is so proud of Caucasian Albania, why not just use the name "Caucasian Albania" instead of confusing everyone with "Azerbaijan" ? Unless "Caucasian Albania" is only useful to make claims to Karabakh and places around it

[Armanen]

Re: Caucasian Albania

With that comment you are again the troll in this thread.

You do not understand the point of Raynec's propaganda. He/she/it is trying to prove that Armenians are not native to the Nagorno Karabakh region and that "Caucasian Albanians" are, and that the descendants of the Caucasian Albanians are a substantial part of the modern Azeri nation.

Get lost. You're postings here are even worse than any azeri or turk because at least they do not hide their true fuctions when they post.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Caucasian Albania

he copy pastes his stuff from here

http://www.zerbaijan.com/albania/caucasian-albania.html

most azeris will just keep copy pasting even though it doesnt make sense

Then surely the answer is to compose a sharp, concise, response that exposes what is false, that destroyes it all, blow-by-blow. Then follow around the copypasting of him and those like him and post that response as a reply to his postings. With your previous posts on this thread you seem to be well on the way to doing it already. Just don't let those two trolls have any input in the writing of the response.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Caucasian Albania

I rest my case.You really should learn history and know the borders of Armenia trough the ages

And more trolls - this one with a silly, childish, propaganda map that is every bit as fake as its Azeri counterparts. Does anyone really think a map like that can "rest the case"?