Nakhichevan

[Hellektor]

Re: Nakhichevan

I have to correct a mistake in my previous post. I wrongly remembered the naming Nakhjavan was from the 11th century AD. In fact I was thinking of the relevant article in the Soviet Armenian encyclopedia where under Nakhijevan it says: UNTIL 11th century Nakhjavan.

So Nakhjavan is a much older naming than the 11th century when it changed to Nakhijevan and the famous Noah mythology was attached to the name: nakh=first ijevan=settlement.

Under Nakhjavan a few pages further it says: region of the Vaspurakan Province of the Greater Armenia (Medz Hyke), in the plain of Nakhjavan branch of the Yeraskh (Arax). Comprised of the city of Nakhjavan (center of the region) and the surrounding area, 1220 square km. in all, approximately the Babek (Turk distortion of Babak (Papak), as if he had anything to do with Turks!) area of the day (Soviet era).

There's a longer article after this one under the same topic: Nakhjavan, which I won't translate, but I'll mention the variations of the name, the meaning and origin of which is unfortunately not given, as I hadn't found out in my earlier reading years ago as well.

Nakhjuan, Nakhjvan, Nakhjavan, Nakhijavan, Nakhijevan. The restriction of English consonants taken into account I reproduce the original variants in Armenian:

Նախճուան, Նախճըւան, Նախջաւան, Նախջուան, Նախիջաւան, Նախիջևան

The search for the origin/meaning of the name is still going on and any contribution is appreciated.

[Hellektor]

Re: Nakhichevan

Thanks for pointing that out hellektor, I'll look into it if it comes up in my own research.

You're welcome. You see, there are many similar dark points regarding many an Armenian issue and a lot of stupid fallacious beliefs which have left us rotating in a vicious circle.

Take Sèvres for instance, where the document that's important to us is the Wilson arbitration not the treaty of Sèvres itself but still there are people, even at the top of Armenian academic circles where they'll parrot the same old Sèvres vs. Lausanne and other completely misunderstood and distorted ideas even to this day.

Recently on Armenian TV, Ashot Melkonian (who I really, really do respect a lot) was again talking about the resurrection of the Sèvres treaty... Man, don't you read a single article by Ara Papian? These guys consider him beneath themselves or something? Why these guys think they know everything and they don't consider updating their knowledge to get rid of their false convictions?

Talk about Sèvres to a Turk and it will say “but Sèvres was never ratified”. Who wants ratification of Sèvres? We have the Wilson arbitration which is THE document that concerns the delineation of the border between Armenia and Turkey, it doesn't require ratification, it's part of the law of the land of the USA, it is binding, it is timeless and it is irrevocable. Yet our great academicians seem to be delaying our cause by their ignorance... or maybe they're doing it deliberately?

[jgk3]

Re: Nakhichevan

Thanks for pointing that out hellektor, I'll look into it if it comes up in my own research.

[Hellektor]

Re: Nakhichevan

Historically Nakhichevan has been part of the Vaspurakan province and during that time there were district names such as Yernjak, Goghtn, Sharur and Agulis. The Turco-Tatars or 'Azeris' are relative newcomers to Nakhichevan, maybe from 300 years back

The naming Nakhjavan dates only since the 11the century AD, however no one has ever come up with an explanation of the meaning/origin of this name. Is it Armenian, Persian or Turkish? What does it mean? By the “avan” ending we can suppose it probably has at least partly Armenian origin. What does Nakhj stand for? Has it to do with Nakhjir? There's only a word Nakhjamej in Malkhasian but it doesn't say what is meant with Nakhj.

I haven't found an answer to this question so those who might know a valid explanation are welcome to clear this so that we are done with this ambiguity.

P.S. The retarded Noah fiction crap is not welcome so please refrain from regurgitating that.

[lampron]

Re: Nakhichevan

Historically Nakhichevan has been part of the Vaspurakan province and during that time there were district names such as Yernjak, Goghtn, Sharur and Agulis. The Turco-Tatars or 'Azeris' are relative newcomers to Nakhichevan, maybe from 300 years back

[Hellektor]

Re: Nakhichevan

The 'Azeri' version of Nakhichevan's history

Today as an autonomous republic within Azerbaijan...

It's obviously quite without fake "Azerbaijan".

In spite, or maybe because of such an agitated history, Nakhchivan is rich in architectural heritage.

Have you genocidal barbarians left anything standing from its architectural heritage?

[gegev]

Re: Nakhichevan

Nakhidjevan

And what is their "scientists/historians" opinion on the Nakhidjevan word origin. Isn't it Armenian?

[lampron]

Re: Nakhichevan

It is probably written for the ignorant and the simple minded (i.e. tourists, journalists, and such like) to imply that the population of Nakhchivan has been living there continuously and ethnically unchanged since the time of Noah. .

ah yes! just as well (for 'Azeri historians') that journalists in the New York Times, Washington Post, London Times, Le Monde etc etc are all ignorant and simple minded eh? Because, as we know, they seem not to pay the minimum attention as to who might have historically lived in Nakhichevan

[Tigranakert]

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Never quote Wikipedia as a reference!

The theory (though it doesn't really merit such a term because it implies some scientific basis lies behind it) was invented by Armenians in the early 19th century (though it may have existed as a bit of folk entymology before that), and the spelling of Nakhchivan was manipulated in print to make the theory more plausable. Hübschmann was merely recording the existence of the theory (the Wikipedia article does not say he invented the theory, though it is weasily worded to suggest otherwise and it has no references).

And most of you still use that manipulated spelling and even believe that it is pronounced that way. The Azeri fantasy is obviously based on the Armenian one, but with the supposed meaning in Armenian removed and some supposed meaning in Turkic pasted in its place.

From what do you conclude the theory was invented by Armenians? Can you name some sources (probably Western ones for you).

[bell-the-cat]

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I wonder which 'Azeri' kings and princes ruled Nakhichevan when it was independent?

Or does the source mean independent, as in part of independent Armenia under the Bagratunis?

The passage does not actually mention the word "Azeri". It is probably written for the ignorant and the simple minded (i.e. tourists, journalists, and such like) to imply that the population of Nakhchivan has been living there continuously and ethnically unchanged since the time of Noah. That is why there is no mention anywhere in the passage of the ethnicity or religion of the population at any time period.