Nakhichevan

[lampron]

The 'Azeri' version of Nakhichevan's history

History
Nakhichevan's earliest claim to fame comes from biblical times, as Noah's ark before having reached Mount Ararat is supposed to have first touched land on the submerges summit of the Ilan-dag mountain. The republic's name apparently comes from this legend, Nakhichevan being a corruption of Nukkhtchikhan, the 'Colony of Noah'.

Nakhichevan was invaded by Greeks and Romans, transferred to Parthia and Sassanid Persia, devastated by the Arabs armies of Emir Habib in the 8th century, independent in the 9th and 10th centuries, invaded by the Seljuk Turks of Alp Arasan in th 11th, briefly independent as the Atabak Ildegizids state in the 12th century, invaded by Turks and Mongols, again controlled by Persia, it eventually became a quasi-independent Khanate in the 18th century and was integrated in Russia in the 19th century. In 1924 Stalin made it an autonomous republic, status that it maintains today within Azerbaijan. In 1991, as the USSR started to collapse, Nakhichevan declared independence even before Azerbaijan, second only to Lithuania. Today as an autonomous republic within Azerbaijan, Nakhchivan has its own parliament (President Aliyev's family is from Nakhichevan).

In spite, or maybe because of such an agitated history, Nakhchivan is rich in architectural heritage. Worth special notice are the mausoleum of Momine Khatun (12-th century), the tomb of Yusuf Kuseir, mausoleum Garabaglar with 2 minarets, the mausoleum of Fazlullah Naimi, the Khanega caravanserai, the Alindja castle and the ruins of the city of Gilan.

http://www.azerb.com/az-nakhchivan.html

[Davo88]

Re: Nakhichevan

If you want a good laugh you should read this Azeri 'history' of the Kingdom of Armenia:

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Faz.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FB%25C3%25B6y%25C3%25BCk_Erm%25C9%2599nistan&sl=auto&tl=en

It alleges that there were Turkic tribes in the region back then.

[ninetoyadome]

Re: Nakhichevan

If you want a good laugh you should read this Azeri 'history' of the Kingdom of Armenia:

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Faz.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FB%25C3%25B6y%25C3%25BCk_Erm%25C9%2599nistan&sl=auto&tl=en

It alleges that there were Turkic tribes in the region back then.

mammadova is an idiot and azeris believe the xxxx she says

Among the critics of Mammadova's works is Russian historian V.A. Shnirelman, who dedicated a whole chapter in his "Wars of Memory" book to Mammadova's mistakes, misinterpretations and to the influence of anti-Armenian authors V.L. Velichko and Ziya Bunyadov on her theories.
According to Thomas de Waal, Mammadova have grasped the Albanian theory "to supersede completely Armenians from Caucasus". "She has placed Caucasian Albania on the territory of modern Republic of Armenia: all the territories, churches and monasteries in Republic of Armenia have appeared Albanian". He describes Mammadova's theories as "an improved version of what became a very rough tool in Azerbaijan".
During her interviews Mammadova has made anti-Armenian statements:
And, it is known, that on whole planet exactly the Armenian people is distinguished by the absence of spiritual and other human values.
In the world there are only two nations that have national identitiy, but have not statehoods. They are xxxs and Armenians. The difference is that xxxs have created their state on their historical homeland, and Armenians have created their state not on their historical native land

In the early 1980s, Azerbaijani Academy of
Sciences embarked on a highly controversial
project aimed at denying the Armenian
character to thousands of historical monuments
found on the Armenian-populated territories
that were forcibly attached to Azerbaijani SSR
in the 1920s. In 1997, the head of the project,
Ziya Buniyatov, was assassinated by his
mafia companions, and Farida Mamedova
took over the project of Azerbaijan's
"cultural cleansing." The policy of "cultural
cleansing" formed the ideological basis for
and preceded later ethnic cleansing against
the Armenians in Nagorno Karabakh.
In her works, Mamedova eclectically
blends historiographic research, racist
presumptions and conspiracy theorizing.
She is best known for her attempts to
"scientifically" prove that the Armenians
do not deserve an independent national
state for their own. In 1987, Dr. Mamedova
welcomed Azerbaijan's ethnic cleansing
initiative and called on his countrymen to
further proceed with the annexation of parts
of northern Iran, southern
Armenia, and Dagestan.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Nakhichevan

The 'Azeri' version of Nakhichevan's history

History
Nakhichevan's earliest claim to fame comes from biblical times, as Noah's ark before having reached Mount Ararat is supposed to have first touched land on the submerges summit of the Ilan-dag mountain. The republic's name apparently comes from this legend, Nakhichevan being a corruption of Nukkhtchikhan, the 'Colony of Noah'.
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Though that bit is no more silly than its Armenian "the place of descent" equivalent.

[Davo88]

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Thanks for posting that, ninetoyadome. So much for Soviet "brotherhood" between nations.

Though that bit is no more silly than its Armenian "the place of descent" equivalent.

The Armenian theory on the origins of the name Nakhichevan is certainly more plausible. Besides, it weren't Armenians who invented that theory, but a German scholar named Johann Heinrich Hübschmann.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakhichevan

[bell-the-cat]

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Thanks for posting that, ninetoyadome. So much for Soviet "brotherhood" between nations.



The Armenian theory on the origins of the name Nakhichevan is certainly more plausible. Besides, it weren't Armenians who invented that theory, but a German scholar named Johann Heinrich Hübschmann.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakhichevan

Never quote Wikipedia as a reference!

The theory (though it doesn't really merit such a term because it implies some scientific basis lies behind it) was invented by Armenians in the early 19th century (though it may have existed as a bit of folk entymology before that), and the spelling of Nakhchivan was manipulated in print to make the theory more plausable. Hübschmann was merely recording the existence of the theory (the Wikipedia article does not say he invented the theory, though it is weasily worded to suggest otherwise and it has no references).

And most of you still use that manipulated spelling and even believe that it is pronounced that way. The Azeri fantasy is obviously based on the Armenian one, but with the supposed meaning in Armenian removed and some supposed meaning in Turkic pasted in its place.

[lampron]

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, independent in the 9th and 10th centuries, invaded by the Seljuk Turks of Alp Arasan in th 11th,

I wonder which 'Azeri' kings and princes ruled Nakhichevan when it was independent?

Or does the source mean independent, as in part of independent Armenia under the Bagratunis?

[bell-the-cat]

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I wonder which 'Azeri' kings and princes ruled Nakhichevan when it was independent?

Or does the source mean independent, as in part of independent Armenia under the Bagratunis?

The passage does not actually mention the word "Azeri". It is probably written for the ignorant and the simple minded (i.e. tourists, journalists, and such like) to imply that the population of Nakhchivan has been living there continuously and ethnically unchanged since the time of Noah. That is why there is no mention anywhere in the passage of the ethnicity or religion of the population at any time period.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Nakhichevan

Never quote Wikipedia as a reference!

The theory (though it doesn't really merit such a term because it implies some scientific basis lies behind it) was invented by Armenians in the early 19th century (though it may have existed as a bit of folk entymology before that), and the spelling of Nakhchivan was manipulated in print to make the theory more plausable. Hübschmann was merely recording the existence of the theory (the Wikipedia article does not say he invented the theory, though it is weasily worded to suggest otherwise and it has no references).

And most of you still use that manipulated spelling and even believe that it is pronounced that way. The Azeri fantasy is obviously based on the Armenian one, but with the supposed meaning in Armenian removed and some supposed meaning in Turkic pasted in its place.

From what do you conclude the theory was invented by Armenians? Can you name some sources (probably Western ones for you).

[lampron]

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It is probably written for the ignorant and the simple minded (i.e. tourists, journalists, and such like) to imply that the population of Nakhchivan has been living there continuously and ethnically unchanged since the time of Noah. .

ah yes! just as well (for 'Azeri historians') that journalists in the New York Times, Washington Post, London Times, Le Monde etc etc are all ignorant and simple minded eh? Because, as we know, they seem not to pay the minimum attention as to who might have historically lived in Nakhichevan